So most of my skydives lately have been practicing terminal aerials and tracking. And I know that terminal and subterminal tracking are very different, also heard people say that it took several hundred subterminal jumps to really understand subterminal tracking.
For those who have a pretty good idea of subterminal tracking body position, what are some of the magic bits of advice that you can give that would help, and some of the things that you've figured out in your experience?
really dont have lot of jumps but what i observed was the great sensation when u get to really fell the air and start treckin, it feels like your body lifted - ofcourse if u were in good position (i always tuck my sholders in or front down, in my hips i bow a bit, arms r not next to my body but in a n arch away from it so that my hands can grab airPlay with this possition in skydiving and go and trach so that u have your mind all the time with it, keep changing the possition so that u feel diference.
And the other thing - when using some track pantz dont over do the tracking possition - possition shouldnt b so extrem as without them. I have seen some very nasty stuff - if u r not in control then u baunce here and there up and down, and if u have sweter that is a bit big 4 u also works good; they literarly
take your legs.
just so
Have you checked out the "similar posts" links at the bottom of this thread too?
Subterminal tracking: basic slider up survival
Subterminal tracking query
Also I thought perhaps these other threads may have snippets of info you may find helpful (or maybe not of course!!
Horizontal distance from object
Pulling out of a track
Tracking
HTH
Michael
Last edited by Mac; August 27th, 2004 at 12:17 AM.
There's sort of a split on the "tight" track vs "delta" on subterminal tracking. One thing which some folks have advocated is turning the toes outward to allow your feet to grab more air.
I'm sort of like Yuri... I start out somewhat delta and then grandually pull in tighter as I gain airspeed. The big thought in my mind is rolling the shoulders. By rolling the shoulders forward, you force your body into a cupped position which really seems to enhance the track.
Man ...you don't ask the easy questions.
Maybe why you don't get a lot of response to them.
There are no magical bits of advice.
Sub-terminal Tracking. That's something you just feel.
It's like trying to tell someone how to Flair and
plain out and swoop in a landing on a fast canopy.
You can be told how to do it, but you acually have to
do it one time before you understand how to do it,
It is something that person has to refine on his own and dial in.
It is the refinement of launch technique, body positioning awareness.
It is every little thing you do right in under 6 seconds from the time
you commit the energy on that first step on exit.
The mastery of the sub-terminal track and all the little things that go
into it. Is what gives you those extra seconds on a big wall Track.
It turns it from just another good Track.. Into a Smokin, Badass Track.
It is something that I can only do less than 50% of the time I try.
Maybe only 1 out of 3, times I launch, I do it. When I am really
current and only working on that
But when it happens you know it and it feels real good.
I hope that helps answer your question.
Forget the boxman and exit into a track IMMEDIATELY with as much push as possible. Normally if one dives out head first, the tendency to go head down can be remedied by bringing the the knees up, then kicking out to the track.. . Try it in a place that you have room for error of course. The sooner you can acheive the track position the better your separation will be. (IMHO) The delta is very lame and was only used as an example for beginning skydivers to not backslide whilst leaving the 2-4 way.
Take care and always try for more,
space
Let me elaborate a little on what Space was telling you.
The, Technique and Timing [I]thing will get you much further
than just strength and speed alone,
* Using - Primary and Secondary, Torso Movement.
Divide your body in two parts, below the waist and above.
> This is where the - Timing [U] -comes in.
When you are Driving off on the Launch.
You are jumping and springing up and out at the same time,
with as much power as you can.
As you are leaving the Exit Point, on your power launch.
Using your Primary / Lower Torso.
> Before that, Energy Ends.....
Using your secondary Upper Torso.
And I am talking about Every Part of It.Abdomen, Shoulders, Arms, Hands, Neck and Head.
Must be Powered Up and Out just before the energy of the
Lower torso runs out.
That energy that is used in that secondary Torso movement
when used properly and made into one smooth movement of
Launch. Combined with your Lower Torso in a strong powering
Leg / stepping,running / Exit......
Swept directly in to your tracking position. with no errors.
* That is the Dominant exit technique that proves to Move you
Further and Faster, in those first few and most important seconds.
Like I said before. The cleaner and faster you can get that
Sub-Terminal track going, is what makes the difference between
a good track and a Track that just Kicks-Ass.
It will extend and give you a couple seconds more air-time because
your are Tracking more Efficiently much sooner.
Also:
Everybody is different, Size, Shape. Height, Weight, Etc.
You have to use and make the most of what you got.[I]
What Ray elaborates on is very correct except for the part about launching up and out. try to launch only out, any uppityness will take energy from your outwardness.
The key is to present your track to the anticipated windflow as soon as possible.
take care
space
I have been thinking about this a little over the past
couple days. I could be wrong about this but........
I think I still use a little movement upward on the launch.
Not a lot but a little.
You most defiantly have to keep your body at a heads up
angle at launch.
Total body angle being, Head higher than Feet.
With a small up-ward and out, Arcing motion.
This most definitely will keep you from going, Head-Down.
If you launch all energy just strait out in a flat track. I find it
hard not going head down. Then wasting a few seconds to
flatten out and track.
The method is to dive straight out, and pull the knees to the chest to counter the rotation and then kickout into the track position once the rotation is compensated for. One can be in the optimum track for subterminal (if it is nailed) in the first 1-1.5 secsOriginally Posted by Raymond Losli
I will send ya video clip later iffin ya want. But I am going on a mission in a few hrs that wiil take 12 days. send me an E, anybody else also.
take care,
space
Does that method of pulling the knees up to your chest
apply to Standing launch and Running launches both ???
I have never seen anybody suck there knees to there chest.
to counter a head down rotation.
That does not mean it does not exist. There is a lot I have
not seen.
I can understand using that technique in a Power Thrust, for
Maximum Distance in a Standing Launch.
A Video of a launch would be a great way to see technique
being used.
Please send when you get a chance. thanks...
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