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    Generations (Branch from PC Chart)

    Every chart has a story . . .

    I can recall the very day I made that chart for Basic Research in the early 1990s (it was a Friday) and like a lot of things in BASE, there was a ying and yang to it.

    Answering the phones at BR (and I'm sure for the other early manufacturers as well) in those days was a real lip biter sometimes. On the one hand we wanted to sell gear, wanted the sport to grow, but man - I wish now I had recorded some of those phone calls.

    It's difficult to state BASE was in a transitional period back then because BASE is always in transition. Yet, the sport was indeed fundamentally changing from Carl Boenish's idea of a "small band of brothers" to, and I'm only slightly kidding now - a "large group of goofballs." It was the dichotomy of being around since before there were any real BASE gear manufactures to a time, like now, when anyone with a few BASE jumps can jump into the game. And that's pretty amazing when you think about it.

    Luckily I knew Todd before he started building BASE gear as we were all part of the same small crew jumping everything in So Cal in the late 1980s. And I watched as he went from building gear only for his friends to first becoming T&T Rigging then Basic Research and now Apex BASE. Younger than me Todd was always smarter than me when it came to BASE. He realized long before any of us, if the sport was to survive and prosper, it would be through education and our getting away from the bandit image. I was open to that, but always thought, either way we'd always be all right as no one could ever stop BASE jumping. No matter our mistakes, no matter how many glory hounds, no matter what new laws were enacted, as long as there was one daring and curious boy with a parachute left in the world there would always be BASE jumping.

    But I was living the BASE dream and Todd was running a business. When I read the words of today's young guns, I understand where they are coming from, because I hear Todd. I first met him in 1983 when he worked for me as jumpmaster at Lake Elsinore. Since then we've had a thousand arguments about BASE and he's still one of my best friends in the world and even though he had good reason to fire me over and over he never did.

    So back to the chart.

    When I first worked for BR it was rare for someone to call that I didn't know, or at least, hadn't heard of. They'd want this or that piece of gear and I merely processed the order. Then, and slowly at first, people started asking me what they needed. It was a sea change and one I was never entirely comfortable with. There were no full blown BASE courses in those days, and people were still getting into BASE the way we all had. You were an experienced enough skydiver and just figured it out. Or you didn’t, or were just unlucky, and wound up on the Fatality List I was keeping. It wasn't uncommon for me to be at my desk at BR working on the latest fatality report when the phone rang and some guy with a credit card, a hundred skydives, and no clue, wanted to buy the whole shebang. I'd go to Todd, and tell him I'm not selling to this guy, and Todd, bless his heart, would kiss the 2000 bucks away by saying, "That's cool, Nick." But you can’t do that forever and stay in business. So BR started doing for real first BASE courses.

    With the luxury of looking back, and still being lucid enough to be able to look ahead, I wince a bit when I see the bravado in us being dissed. Like I wonder how we can talk about the latest potato fatality by throwing the guy overboard so easily. "Liquid courage," is bandied about (we used to call it partying) and for what? No object is worth a single life, but to save that object, to save those convenient jumps, it's become okay to throw one of our own to wolves. I don’t think so . . .

    If your store-bought BASE jumps are that important to you, than I don’t know what to say to you. It's shitting on everyone who came before you. You may think you have that right, but you don't.

    So back to the chart.

    "Hey Todd, I'm getting a lot of calls, and it seems people are really confused about pilot chutes. How about we make a chart or something?"

    "Yeah, that would be good," Todd answered, "until some lawyer pulls it out and says, ladies and gentleman of the jury - my client was following this chart and now he's dead."

    But as much as Todd realized he'd mortgaged not only his own future, but the future of his wife and two boys on BASE jumping he never backed away from the getting sued thing. "Okay," he said, "show me what you come up with."

    The first version of the chart and the one I showed him had only smiley and un-smiley faces on it, and he okayed that. I only added the skulls later and then we had argument about it. Todd was anti-death (before it was cool) while I was more of the Moe Viletto school of BASE where death is used as an educational tool. When I first met Moe I remember the first thing he said to me was, "Want to see some autopsy photos?"

    Somewhere between Todd's and Moe's view of BASE seemed to be safe ground and it's the ground I staked out for myself. And only history will bear out who was right or wrong. I do, however, know one thing for sure. And you can say this about every name on the BASE Fatality List, they didn't fuck up, they just went BASE jumping . . .

    NickD
    BASE 194

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    God damn Nick can u post your crap over the dorkzone please?

    How's living in the past 24/7 making you feel alive?

    PC_Drag_Data_Chart
    Dr. Nick

    Nitro Rigging

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicknitro71 View Post
    God damn Nick can u post your crap over the dorkzone please?

    How's living in the past 24/7 making you feel alive?

    PC_Drag_Data_Chart
    I don't know, brother, but I just pinched myself, and I'm still alive . . .

    NickD
    BASE 194

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    Pinching is good, do it more often
    Dr. Nick

    Nitro Rigging

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickD
    And you can say this about every name on the BASE Fatality List, they didn't fuck up, they just went BASE jumping . . .
    Lets be honest, some of them did fuck up....
    Last edited by hamsandwich; March 9th, 2008 at 01:58 PM. Reason: Spilt post when branching thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Lets be honest, some of them did fuck up....
    To a degree, but if you want to cocoon yourself, in non-fuck-up-ability, then okaydokie . . .

    NickD
    BASE 194

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickD View Post
    To a degree, but if you want to cocoon yourself, in non-fuck-up-ability, then okaydokie . . .

    NickD
    BASE 194
    What ever that bulshit American bastardisation of the English language may mean.... I am sure you are right and I am wrong because your heart has beat more times than mine....

    It was you sir that stated they had not fucked up, this I wager is the cocoon you speak of....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    I am sure you are right and I am wrong because your heart has beat more times than mine....
    Young and dumb isn't a good excuse either.

    But if that's all you got.

    Then all righty then . . .

    NickD ,
    BASE 194

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickD View Post
    Young and dumb isn't a good excuse either.

    But if that's all you got.

    Then all righty then . . .

    NickD ,
    BASE 194
    Well it seems that it is true, old American fellas really dont understand sarcasm......but, if all you can do is attempt to goad, rather than speak with any substance...

    Then all righty then...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Well it seems that it is true, old American fellas really dont understand sarcasm......but, if all you can do is attempt to goad, rather than speak with any substance...

    Then all righty then...

    We invented sarcasm, the American Revolution, that was us.

    I can't win an online debate with you BASE newbies. You, and 90% of the rest here are sucking off the tit we provided.

    And you can't handle the truth . . .

    NickD
    BASE 194

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    We invented sarcasm, the American Revolution, that was us.
    Now that I like

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    Those who profess to be historians should always know the history of which they speak.

    There was no American revolution.

    The American colonists fought the British crown not to overthrow it and replace it with something else but to secure their freedom from it.

    Hence the correct term for that historic conflict is the War of Independence, as set forth not in the Declaration of Revolution but, you guessed it, the Declaration of Independence.

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    Nick, one of these days you have to post your whole life story, either here or over on that other BASE forum. I am sure many people would love to read it (I would, for one).

    The BASE community seems to be more or less divided into two generations: the guys from way back when who started this thing, and the guys nowadays who look at BASE video and say "hey, that looks fun! I wanna try that!" But this is probably a bit of an oversimplification . There are, of course, guys who nowadays got into BASE the same way that you would back then.

    Regardless, I have read some posts by the more seasoned crowd of jumpers complaining that the new hotshot guys are oblivious to BASE history and the old ways. And while some hotshots may just want to blindly jump everything in sight, others are curious to know the history and the old ways. But, unfortunately, relatively little of BASE historical material is available to us newbies online. I guess there wasn't so much technology back then... everything seems to have been passed on through word of mouth, photographs, and videotape, which aren't easily transferred to the internet for all the newbies to study.

    But I am caught up in my own thoughts... to finish off the rant: post more stories please!
    Last edited by stevenm; March 7th, 2008 at 08:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenm View Post
    Nick, one of these days you have to post your whole life story, either here or over on that other BASE forum. I am sure many people would love to read it (I would, for one).

    The BASE community seems to be more or less divided into two generations: the guys from way back when who started this thing, and the guys nowadays who look at BASE video and say "hey, that looks fun! I wanna try that!" But this is probably a bit of an oversimplification . There are, of course, guys who nowadays got into BASE the same way that you would back then.

    Regardless, I have read some posts by the more seasoned crowd of jumpers complaining that the new hotshot guys are oblivious to BASE history and the old ways. And while some hotshots may just want to blindly jump everything in sight, others are curious to know the history and the old ways. But, unfortunately, relatively little of BASE historical material is available to us newbies online. I guess there wasn't so much technology back then... everything seems to have been passed on through word of mouth, photographs, and videotape, which aren't easily transferred to the internet for all the newbies to study.

    But I am caught up in my own thoughts... to finish off the rant: post more stories please!
    It isn't two generations. You can't even break it down into less than a half dozen in my mind and even that sounds arbitrarily low.

    I'm all for learning about history and appreciate stories whether from last night, last summer or past the last decade. But the generalization that all us "new" guys and gals just plain "don't care" is just that...a generalization and I'd take serious offense to it if I didn't know that I lived my life otherwise.

    I can know some history and want to learn more, but it doesn't have to be all consuming in my life or in BASE. If it were...well, that sounds an awful lot like religion and that's not my bag. I can live my life and jump with respect without having to praise every jumper who came before me every waking day or kneel on top of every exit to say 'thanks'. Sounds a lot like prayer...a lot like religion...and I don't believe in god...fictional or self-righteous.

    -C.

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    >>The BASE community seems to be more or less divided into two generations:<<

    It's something about these boards that overstates the generational gap in that light. In real terms it isn't that bad. Put us all in the same room (in my experience) and it again becomes us against the world instead of us against us. And I probably know more newish BASE jumpers than old ones as so many of the old guys aren’t around anymore either being deceased or moved on to other things.

    There's lots of historical stuff in the archives here and also in the new Wiki thing that's going up.

    On the number of BASE generations I actually believe there is more than just two. I currently think there is five.

    First there was the Fauste Veranzio Generation. Fauste jumped from a Venice tower in 1617 and he represents all the ancients who first toyed with parachutes. The second generation began in 1912 and I call it the Fredrick Law Generation. By this time parachutes were pretty dependable and Law jumped from the Statue of Liberty, the Brooklyn Bridge, and a Wall Street building. And he came awfully close to becoming BASE #1 needing only a cliff jump. Law's generation ends with Mike Pelkey's and Brian Schubert's 1966 El Cap jump. There were many fixed object jumps made during this period (1912 – 1966) and what they all had in common was being one-off type stunt jumps. The first indoor "sport" jump took place during this period (1941) when an aircraft mechanic jumped from the rafters of a blimp hangar in Milwaukee during a large fair. When asked to repeat the jump for the newsreel camera he declined.

    The next generation is easily dubbed the Carl Boenish Generation and it began in 1978. What separates this group from the preceding generations is the gift Carl bestowed on us. He showed us what were once one-off type stunt jumps were now repeatable! Carl, of course, started issuing the sequential BASE numbers (1981) and the sport as we know it today was born. I think in the beginning Carl thought fixed object jumping (at least cliff wise) would be easily accepted and folded into the rest of the current parachute disciplines. And he was the one who faced the initial brunt of rejection from his own fiends in the skydiving community. When Carl was killed BASE jumping 1984 he went to his grave without knowing the outcome of BASE jumping, and even more sadly how the sport would grow in popularity. In Carl's time most skydivers thought BASE was nuts and wanted no part of it. Today you'd be hard pressed to find a new skydiver that won't say they'd, at least, like to try it.

    The fourth generation spanned the rest of the 1980s and 1990s. This is the generation I place myself in as most of my own BASE activity took place then. This was undoubtedly the Pirate Generation. My generation watched Carl, and later his widow Jean, try to legitimize BASE jumping without much success. We sat on the boards of early organizations like the CJAA and did try to continue Carl's work but we ran into dead ends and road blocks over and over. And not only were we fighting the powers that be, we also were ostracized by the USPA and our fellow skydivers. These were the days when after every BASE mishap reporters would run to the nearest drop zone for a comment. They did that because BASE was very underground and they could never find any BASE jumpers to comment. The result was always the same. Some DZO would call us, "knuckleheads," and state we were hurting the image of skydiving.

    So this is where the pirate thing comes in. We essentially gave up trying to legitimize BASE figuring if we wanted to jump we better just get on with it as no one was going to just let us. So the Jolly Roger flag was hoisted and we went even further underground to the point of, except for the accidents that made news, we almost disappeared. This may also be the period where the first "generational" problems occurred. MTV and the "Just Do It" generation were coming of age and the "Site Burner" was born. There weren't many of these types, but there didn't need to be as just a few could do a lot of damage. These were the guys who used BASE to get publicity for themselves, to get themselves on TV, and they didn't care for anything or anyone who came before them. Every time you saw one of these guys it was like they single-handedly invented the sport. It was at this time I came to the realization nothing would ever kill BASE jumping. In "The Right Stuff" parlance, BASE was the "unscrewable pooch." Because since we asked no permission no one could ever stop us. We quietly worked our day jobs on the DZ and no one there knew we even BASE jumped. A finger rubbed along side one's nose alerted other BASE jumpers on the DZ that something was on for tonight.

    The next BASE generation, the fifth, began in the year 2000. BASE participation exploded in this period, and I'm not yet settled on what to call this generation but I guess the Redbull Generation works. Eight years into the Redbull Generation we have the biggest leap in BASE technology, the advent of numerous legal sites and events, wingsuiting, un-packed jumps, and so on and so on. On the other hand it's also the generation the most ignorant of it's past. And that's not a slam, it's a fact. And it's also the generation of which I'm the most proud. Carl, had he lived, would have been absolutely stunned with glee looking at BASE jumping today. But sometimes the current generation forgets how they got here.

    So what generation you are in will immensely affect your view of the sport. I'm a man of my generation and to me it seems we have given up freedom for access. We accepted rules (in a sport that traditionally followed only the law of gravity) to have convenient jumps. We are now getting dangerously close to the point where a 3:AM BASE jumper doing everything right, but being unlucky enough to get busted, is branded as hurting the legal status of BASE. I guess you can say this has already happened. Go to Europe and try to operate outside the established rules and associations, do something weird at the potato bridge, or go to Bridge Day and tell a Ranger to fuck off, and it'll be your own that comes down on you. Yes, I know it's a sort of progress, and it was inevitable, but please, when an old timer jumps up to ask, "What the hell are you guys doing," you don’t have to agree, but just maybe you'll understand a little bit.

    So, stevenm, you’re the next generation, a yet un-named one. What are you going to do with it . . . ?

    NickD
    BASE 194

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