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    LawSchoolBlues
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    Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    I saw "A Year In The Life". I went from there to the World Base Fatality List. I have never jumped from anything higher than the highdive.

    With that said, I don't think I'll be jumping, though I have followed this sport somewhat tangentially since I first heard of it in the 80's, probably near its inception. I've been telling people about BASE jumping for years. But I can't bring myself to risk my life to that extent. Those who know that I ride a motorcycle almost exclusively might argue that last point, but there is basically no recovery from a total failure of a parachute. The worst I fear on my bike is a highside.

    I would like, once I am in practice, to devote some of my pro bono hours toward the cause of BASE Jumping, if anyone thinks it is needed. I see where in Australia the Parks Service does more harm than good. I don't know the situation here in the states. In fact, I plan to do sports and entertainment law, so those of you who are approached about endorsements, I'll want to speak to you before you sign anything (in 2006 when I've passed the bar, that is).

    So far I have not mentioned the subject of the post, so I'll get to it now. I plan to be an attorney. I will probably be able to afford to jump then. As a younger man I was certainly not in the position to afford lessons or a ride up. I watched Corliss' video and was amazed at the locations to which he went to jump. And all in a single year! I told my girlfriend, "He must be a trust fund baby." No 9 to 5 Joe could even dream of such a life. Nothing at all against Corliss; I hope he continues to push the boundaries and break new ground in his extraordinary way (safely, I will add). But it's pretty obvious he has backing from somewhere that allows such freedom.

    I wonder if BASE and traditional jumping will ever be a sport that average people can afford. When I first heard of BASE jumping, since the jump location is a fixed point, I assumed that it was for the very purpose of having a free jump (of course, this does not consider the expense of the gear). Since it's basically free to climb an aerial, and one can pack one's own parachute with training, I figured it was a cost-saving endeavor intitially. I don't know if that is accurate at all.

    So what are your thoughts on the affordability of the sport? How much does a BASE setup cost? Can a person be trained to jump starting with BASE jumps?

    I am most likely showing my ignorance, but it seems like a bridge might be the safest bet for learning to BASE jump, since there it typically no wall with which to collide. If this is done over a dry riverbed, the threat of drowning is removed from the equation. Theoretically, one could be given lessons and taught to jump from a bridge and then move to the other types of jumps. Then the only cost would be new gear and travel expenses. That might make this an affordable sport.

    I ask this because I don't think that talent and socio-economic status are inextricably linked. Nor are the elite the only ones who deserve to enjoy something as incredible as this sport. I know that starting with base jumping removes several of the benefits of the 10k' tandem training jumps with a reserve. I don't know if this can be worked around or not. I'm just asking questions.

    Sorry for the long post; I'm always a bit wordy.

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    LawSchoolBlues
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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    Hmm. 18 views and no responses.

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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    No, but like any other sport, with some money in your pocket you can devote more time to better, safer training, with expert advice and supervision in better locations.

    Base jumping is most definitely possible on a tight budget.....you just don't get to travel the world as much or as far afield, and of course when i say tight budget, i generally mean you would have to have some disposable income. If you're living a hand to mouth existance then sadly BASE jumping is probably out of your financial grasp, but then so are 90percent of all westernised leisure activities.

    With some of your pro bono hours you could look at the aerial delivery laws which are used to persecute jumpers within the US national parks. You don't have to look at other countries to find oppression, prejudice, injustice and plain stupidity......you have all the case studies you could possibly need right at home.

    Good luck.

    ian

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    LawSchoolBlues
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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    Thanks! Point me in the direction of the aerial delivery law problems. At present I am the research assistant for oue constitutional law professor. I am doing researc on 4th Amendment standing and it's about to come to an end. I am looking for somehting to research for publishing under my own name.

    A brief summation of the problem would be appreciated.

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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    I am not a US citizen so perhaps am not the best person to summarize the problems faced by Basejumpers over there. Do a forum search with the phrase "aerial delivery" and it should provide you with posts and threads going back for at least 4 years.

    In a nutshell, if you want to rock climb, rappell, abseil, hang glide, hike or any other numerous activities in many areas (not sure if all) of US National Parks then you can. If you want to Parachute from them you can't. It is forbidden and you can and will be prosecuted using the aerial delivery laws...leading to huge fines, gear confiscation and imprisonment.

    For a wealth of information and history, i would suggest you begin by trawlling through this forum's archives. It's all here.

    ian

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    LawSchoolBlues
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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    Thanks again. I'm fishing through the forums; a little each day.

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    Tom Aiello
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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by LawSchoolBlues
    Thanks! Point me in the direction of the aerial delivery law problems.
    There is a whole bunch of stuff in the legal section of the Knowledge BASE.

    You can also just look up the cases. If you search the appellate decisions in the 3rd (? I'd have to check to be sure) and look for Oxx it has a pretty good recap of the issues.

    edit to add: There are a surprising number of BASE jumping attorneys, but mostly they are of the "recovering attorney" type--no longer practicing law on a daily basis.

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    Tom Aiello
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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    BASE can be done pretty cheaply, actually. Starting is the expensive part (since you need a bunch of training that usually costs money, and some gear, which also costs money). After that, it's travel and related expenses mostly. Plenty of folks rarely get far away from home, and don't spend much.

    If you're interested in the legal angles, I'd recommend contacting Fred Morelli (who is the BASE jumping attorney who has argued most of the appellate decisions), or Rick Harrison (who is to my knowledge the only attorney to ever beat the NPS on an aerial delivery charge, and is also the current head of the United States BASE Association and keeper of the BASE numbers). PM me if you're looking for contact info, or you can easily find Rick's contact info in dozens of places (try a forum search for "BASE number" for starters).

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    LawSchoolBlues
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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    Excellent, Tom. And thanks. I'm out of town again, but I will contact you in the next few days regarding this. I would certtainly like to talk with these guys about this.

    The third circuit is a bit dichotomous in that the fed circuit is never very brave, but New Jersey's Supreme Court is very protective of personal freedoms. As an aside, I'd try to fight this in a state court and avoid supremacy issues. It seems that tresspassing, etc., would be fought in state court anyway. Though the FCC might have something to say about climbing aerials.

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    Tom Aiello
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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    Quote Originally Posted by LawSchoolBlues
    I'd try to fight this in a state court and avoid supremacy issues.
    Since the primary issue is the National Park Service policy, and the NPS is part of the federal government, I think you're likely to end up in federal court at some point, anyway.

    There have been several (non-federal) cases on the trespassing and other issues. If you check out Continuum II (from Triax) you can hear about some of those issues in the segment about HC and his building strike ordeal in Colorado.

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    soonere36
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    Re: Is this a sport for only the wealthy?

    well id gues if u wher a jumer buying equitment and traveling would be i higher priority to a deticated jumper seeing how ur in law school u probaly dont have enough money to start now but if ur not looking to get in than thats cool to it takes balls to decide to do this w/ ur life and if its not ur passion its stuped to do it 1/2 hrtedly and put ur life n risk

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