Does static line open any quicker, more reliably than pilot chute assisting? Do I pack as normal for a 1/2 sec delay and connect 80lb break tie to bridal or is it a whole new pack job?
Does static line open any quicker, more reliably than pilot chute assisting? Do I pack as normal for a 1/2 sec delay and connect 80lb break tie to bridal or is it a whole new pack job?
same pack job, but do a careful job for the on-heading, just as youll want to get a good exit. Opening time is basically the same, but reliability is debateable person to person. I recommend having a person pc assist you, particularly if they are base, or at least a skydiver. Static line can break prematurely as can some anchors, but keep in mind the last thing some people hear from their inexperienced pc holders is "oops". Keep in mind that if you are asking these questions on the internet you may not be ready for what you want to do. Seek experienced base assistance in person if you are a beginner. If you are experienced, remember: static line-check and double check, and take your time. pilot chute assist-instruct and practice (dry run) your assistant, make sure they know what to do and what to expect. be safe. cya
I totally disagree with:
>Keep in mind that if you are asking these
>questions on the internet you may not be ready
>for what you want to do.
Not everyone has a BASE-jumper with 400+ base-jumps a 10 minute drive to them.
The question was asked with at theast a certain degree on knowledge. I am always glad to see people trying to learn by any means possible. This includes the Internet.
I think there are more things this jumper needs to know about, and was asking about:
Static line is a very common topic here at BLiNC. Without re-typing this, I would suggest, click "search" from the above link. Do a search on static line under the BASE-Board. There are about 2 dozen results just on static line and break cords etc...
Keep up the research!
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well, actually i was operating under the "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". Better to err on the conservative side rather than get someone killed. what if the poster took my information as final, and killed themselves because we assume he knew everything else. He asked whether the pack job was the same; thats really very basic info there; if you dont know that you may well not know the set up, or the surgeons knot, or object selection, or other minimums. i provided the info where most often posts of this sort are ignored. im encouraging the poster to seek seek seek more knowledge and never to assume. you and i, mick, shouldnt assume the mind set or attitude or readiness of such a poster....
I don't disagree with you....
What I mean is that you could have explianed a list of the things this user needed to know as a homework assignment of sorts. I just think, and correct me if I am wrong, that by telling the person the general topics they are lacking experience in, will push them in the right direction, instead of them closing an ear to everything and trying it anyways.
> object selection, surgeons knot, or other minimums
These are great things, and in the above order this person should start looking. "Object Selection", is actually one that will take this guy a long time to really research.
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON May-15-01 AT 01:27 PM (PST)[/font][p]In my opinion, a Direct Bag is a better solution than either a PCA or a static line. And, if you're going to PCA anyway, there's no real extra effort (at jump time) in using a D-bag. A D-bag will give you a less deformed canopy, leading to quicker openings and better heading. So, my real advice is to use a direct bag.
Anyway, here's my best shot at helping with your original questions.
>Does static line open any quicker,
>more reliably than pilot chute
>assisting?
In my opinion, a PCA from a GOOD assistant will provide a more reliable opening. It is critical that the assistant release the PC at the correct time (just after line stretch). In this way, the center cell strip that always occurs with break cord can be avoided, leading to a faster, more on heading opening. The best method I've seen for doing this (learned it from some long haired pretty boy from OZ) is to S-fold the bridle in the left hand (both ends coming out the same side), then keep the PC in the right hand. Bend the right elbow 90 degrees (so the forearm is straight up), to absorb shock. It's easy to hold your arm upright through the container opening and canopy extraction, but impossible to hold it up after line stretch. So, when your elbow bends, that's your signal to let go with your hand--and avoid stripping the center cell.
Be warned--a good PCA takes lots of practice. Take your assistant out to a safe, high object, and practice the PCA several times before going to the low object. If possible, film the assistant so that you can critique the form after each practice jump.
>Do I pack as normal for a
>1/2 sec delay and connect 80lb break
>tie to bridal or is it a whole new
>pack job?
Lots of different static line pack jobs exist. I prefer to have a normal pack job with a big PC (to save my life in the event of premature breakage). However, many jumpers with more experience than I have opted for various other solutions.
The break cord can be attached to the bridle (at the PC), the shrivel flap, or even the bridle attachment point. However, I'm not an expert on any of these variations. Your best bet for good info is probably to call a gear manufacturer that sells break cord (like BR) and ask them what they recommend.
Anyway, consider the direct bag (in my opinion still the best solution), and be sure to practice with sufficient altitude to allow for mistakes.
--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@ucdavis.edu
Hey Tom,
Have you ever heard of attaching the top of the canopy to the inside of the DB? Seems that if the line of force were maintained by a high anchor point so the bag holder could manage the bag without having to take the force of the break cord you'd have the best of both worlds.
Yes your right I lack experience. I have zero base jumps and 200 skydives. The problem is no one I've met so far is willing to take on beginners. I can see that from their point of view, its a massive responsibility. I can't get the time off to head out to California or Norway. My main points of reference so far, are the net and videos, both far from ideal I know. I do read every thing I can get my hands on. A lot of it here. I thank every one who has pointed me in the right direction. The tip on the archives was very useful. I'm still reading my way through that. Like everyone else I'm just learning all I can and trying to make sure my first jump, is not my last.
I played with that idea last summer. The static line tended to strip the center cell, and hurt the consistency of the opening.
Still, it might be an idea worth revisiting.
--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@ucdavis.edu
Huh?? Maybe times have changed, but in my limited experience with d-bags 10 years ago, there was no attachement of the canopy to the bag. Maybe I read the post wrong...Expound please.
386 is absolutely correct. With a standard D-bag there is no attachment of the canopy to the bag.
Last summer, when I was learning the art of D-bagging, it occurred to me (actually I think someone on this forum suggested it) to try attaching the canopy to the bag (via the bridle attachment point). The idea, as 593 has pointed out, was to get faster openings by combining the effects of a D-bag (better formed canopy), with the static line. However, in my opinion, the idea was a failure. All it did was bring the problems of the static line into the D-bag, causing center cell strip and deformation out of the bag.
--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@ucdavis.edu
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