Opening-shock injury?

[Donk]

Just curious to know if anyone has had a problem with loss of arm strength possibly do to trauma and nerve damage in the neck or arm from hard openings.

Lately I have noticed that I am exponentially loosing strength in my right arm (to the point where I can not lift a carton of milk) and have a persistent pain in my right shoulder. In my last 30 or so flicks (20 in two days), I had some extremely hard openings (3-4 sec delay w/ V-tec and no slider) resulting in bruises around my shoulder/arm pit and a stiff neck but the pain was minor. I have also noticed some increasing numbness in my right arm. I am going to see a doctor this Friday but thought one of my fellow flickers out there might have experienced similar and could give me some information to help me better explain this to the Doc.

This could also be the result of 24 years of full contact hockey but who knows.

Thanks,

Donk

[guest]

Hard openings can not only damage nerves but damage organs such as the kidneys. I recently jumped a vented canopy mesh slider up at terminal and the opening was terribly hard. My chin bruised the top of my chest, in addition to some scratches from not shaving my face. After being recommended an MRI (which I cannot afford), I made a few more jumps with extra, extra reefing and still have some really hard openings...

[guest]

Donk - what are you smokin? I want some.
Come on bro, 4 seconds slider down! You should have them put vents on the top of your canopy not the bottom.
Seriously though, I'd get in earlier if possible or at least take it real easy till Friday. I went to the doc when I got slammed a while back and most of the tests revolved around arm and leg strength abilities (push/pull, up/down, sideways, etc.)
Hang tough man.
And a big juicy congrats on your Bee.
MB

[guest]

yep, ive experienced this exactly, slider off jumping. Numbness in the ulna nerve (funny bone), a weird hollow feeling in the armpit, flaky arm strength, all this on the right side, general pain in the vertebra in the neck level with the shoulders. A Pinched nerve in the neck, without re-injury it goes away in between 3 weeks,and a month and a half. Provided you lay off slider off jumping for that time. You can accelerate healing with some vitamin (i think it was a B complex, a nerve vitamin b16?). If you can bang on the vertebra in your neck region than this is not a disk, is not ortho, and is strictly temp soft tissue injury. This is why I started bracing my neck/head with my arms awhile back...

[guest]

I've got a friend who blew his shoulder on opening and had to have surgery.

Put him out of action for something like six months.

I'd be extra careful, if I were you.


--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@ucdavis.edu

[guest]

Tony: "It hurts when I take 4 second delays on a V-Tec with no slider"

Doctor: "Don't take 4 second delays on a V-Tec with no slider"

I have to admit,I learned this the hard way as well(without the V-Tec though). Pull your skirt up and put the slider on!:7 It's 486 feet for God's sake! :P

[guest]

Years back I use to jump with slack. I pull on them real tight now. Tighter the better!!

[Donk]

Hi Sue,
<Pull your skirt up and put the slider on!>
Nice! but I know you just want a peek up my skirt. :P

Believe me, if I had brought my mesh it would have been on especially after the first day. I could barely walk after 11 no slider/V-tec openings.

Take care,

Donk

[guest]

>>Nice! but I know you just want a peek up my >>skirt.

Don't forget, I know where the nick name originated. :P

See you at BD...

~Sue

[guest]

Hi Donk

You are probably experiencing a displacement of one or more vertebra(s) which put under pressure nerves.

I strongly suggest to consult a chiropratician, he/she is the only one able to relocate vertebra(s). After the first consultation you'll notice a dramatic change, but you will need few to be 100%.

I am not chiropractian, and not addicted to them. I am working in a pharmaceutical industry, so I prefer big drugs, but I should recognize they did a great job with me when I had the same.

Ciao
JJ

[guest]

I, too, would recommend a chiropractor over a medical doctor for your pain.

I started seeing my doc a couple of years ago for a situation unrelated to jumping. These days he tells me what kind of delays I've been taking, and he's usually right. He definitly noticed when I started jumping my V-tec, since it took me a few jumps to admit I couldn't handle the violence involved with anything over a two second delay.

Be sure to do your researh before selecting a chiropractor, though. Some of them can do more harm than good. Chances are, if you think they're being a little too rough with you, they probably are.

Get well soon...and use your slider!

Steve

[guest]

Donk,
I had almost the same sensation in my arm a couple of years ago. I went to an osteopath (I think they're called physical therapist in the US, as the term 'osteopath' was registered by the medical profession in the U.S. during the second world war)

It turned out I had dislocated one of my vertebrae on a series of hard openings - My T3, and it was causing a rib behind my shoulderblade some problems. I would definitely recommend a back manipulation specialist of some sort - such as a chiropracter - rather than just treating with drugs or cutting you open. After a few sessions I was right as rain. Hypericum is good for helping out the nerve endings if you want to stay away from regular pain killers. Hope this helps

[guest]

Who cares about your back or limbs? Your heart is hanging inside your chest from a couple flimsy pieces of gristle and your aorta is attached by a non-union plumbing job.

A decent amount of deceleration (such as with a 4 second delay without a slider and with cute little vents in your canopy) can set your heart free to pursue whatever trajectory in your chest cavity it pleases.

You will leave a pretty corpse because you will be dead before you can stop smiling and impact will cause no bleeding due to the detached heart muscle/aorta.

Reefing is good.

[crwper]

[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON Aug-16-01 AT 03:43&nbsp;PM (PST)[/font][p]It's an interesting thought. Anything to back it up?

I remember a long time ago hearing about high-acceleration chambers in which a person was suspended in fluid with about the same density as the human body, and breathed an oxygenated fluid also with similar density. The idea was that this would prevent the lungs from collapsing due to the force of acceleration.

I'm just thinking, isn't the heart in a similar situation? I mean, sure it's hanging on by a few arteries and veins, but aren't you forgetting that it's not sitting in a cavity of air, but inside a cavity which has more or less the same density as it does? I think this would protect it from such an injury.

Has anyone actually heard of this kind of thing happening, or am I going to need pliers to get that hook out of my mouth?

Michael

[guest]

Heart/aorta injury is a common cause of traumatic death, often covered in the "blunt force trauma to chest" description that accompanies many auto accidents, falls from height, etc.

As regards to your comment about the heart not being suspended in air, what do you think your lungs are, more or less, full of at any given moment? There is ample room and low enough dendity within your chest cavity, given an event of violent acceleration or deceleration, to permit your heart to move enough to cause fatal injury.

I am a properly trained and currently serving Ambulance Officer and base my statements on my training and other reliable (imho) sources.

The point of my post is that opening shock is risky and easily harmful if not fatal. There are numerous good things that sliders provide, including the reduction of opening shock.

Four seconds with no slider just makes me shake my head and hope wisdome prevails next time.