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    Show us the money, Dann and who is in charge?

    Hey everybody,

    Didja notice how Dann Lee said in his invite: "We are now arranging with our advertising agency and we will be spending a huge amount to promote the event on television, radios and press."

    In previous letters to jumpers, Dann claims he has spent "hundreds of thousands" and "millions" (depends on the paragraph) preparing for this event. Yet not one dime has gone to me, who put $5,000 and 1,000 hours into this, or to Hewitt or Walker or Weston or Halvorsen or Knutson or Overdijk or Kraft or Helliwell or Wainrib or any of the other staffers, consultants, team leaders and supporters of this event.

    Not... one... dime.

    Yet Dann Lee claims to have spent "hundreds of thousands" and "millions" and, now, "a huge amount" on everyone and everything else BUT the jumpers.

    Think about that, everybody, and then draw your own conclusions about what this whuffo really thinks of BASE jumpers.

    Secondly, Dann will not identify the "technical directors."

    think ahout that too: What does it tell you about a BASE event (especially as high profile and cool as this is supposed to be) when the very people supposedly running it refuse to let themselves be identified? When was the last time any of you ever heard of a BASE jumper who didn't want to take credit for something as cool at this is SUPPOSED to be?

    Ask Mr. Lee (dannlee@hotmail.com)why he refuses to identify those guys -- and ask those guys themselves: Why are you ashamed to have your names associated with this effort you're now putting together if it's such a great thing?

    Interesting question, isn't it folks?

    These things all go back to why I told Dann we had to pull the plug: There was no money for the jumpers, and no way to properly screen the jumpers in the time we had left after approval came in mid-May.

    And one final thing on this point: Just think, everybody, about the "safety guidelines" (written by Johnny Weasel) that anyone foolish enough to go to this "world chUmpionships" will have to follow: for that $700 entry fee plus airfare, the suckers (I mean, jumpers) will get TWO JUMPS "under the supervision" of one of several unnamed, secret "technical directors" who can all decide on their own authority that you aren't good enough to continue jumping in the competition.

    Great organizational setup, that is. Just imagine the chaos and dissension when one "technical director" tosses someone from the meet for being unsafe, while another "technical director" lets another guy stay in after performing exactly the same way.

    Anybody with Organization 101 skills knows you gotta have ONE person make the final decisions on that sort of thing; In this case, that one person is a whuffo: Dann Lee.

    You see, not only did he get rid of me a "chief technical director" for telling him the truth he didn't want to hear, HE ELIMINATED THE POSITION ENTIRELY.

    NO ONE IS IN CHARGE OF THE JUMPERS.

    Dann Lee ADMITS this in his very own "safety guidelines."

    There is no organization and no way to appeal what will be a complete and utterly arbitrary selection process divvied up among several different "technical directors" who are afraid to say who they are!

    What a great deal this sounds like, eh? Spend your $1000-$2000 and then have some guy who may or may not have more skill and experience than you tell you whether you get to make one or two jumps or 20.

    THAT is why I am calling for everybody to please help me shut this thing down and REFUSE TO GO ALONG WITH THIS WHUFFO. It's too unorganized, it will be too unfair, and the bottom line is:

    It's like Dann wants to go make a base jump, and his rig isn't packed but he's gonna jump anyway -- and take legal base jumping down the drain with him.

    Really, folks, it's become a no-brainer. It was a no-brainer two months ago, but some people needed to learn more rather than take my word -- and the word of many highly experienced base jumpers and EVENT PROMOTERS who know you can't so something like this in three months.

    Now it's becomin more and more obvious to everyone because, here we are, less than one month before the "big party at the hottest club in KL" (yes, jumpers, says Dann, please come four days early but please don't jump any of the three dozen 500-foot-plus-buildings in KL while you're cooling your heels after the big party), and Johnny Weasel is over in Europe trying to learn how to base jump a wingsuit and write the rules at the same time, rules which he has stolen from my development team in general structure but not in the key and vital DETAILS which keep everyone safe, happy and feeling fairly treated.

    How about THAT? A world chUmpionships and no one knows what the rules are until they get there.

    And no one is in charge.

    And the guys who can decide whether you get to make two jumps or 20 for your $700 plus airfare won't even tell you who they are... heck, Dann won't even tell you what COUNTRIES they're from, much less what their names are. ("Technical directors are from a few places.") Ooh, THAT's informative.

    And of course no one can take any pictures, still or video, except if they give it all Dann Lee without any compensation whatsoever.

    Think about THAT, folks. My original plan called for everyone jumping a camera to be paid a flate fee in recognition of their professional expertise and the investment they've made in equipment and learning how to use it well.

    Dann Lee, however, is DEMANDING that if you take video, YOU MUST GIVE IT TO HIM WITHOUT COMPENSATION OF ANY KIND.

    Ask him about THAT, folks.
    (extremeskydive2001@hotmail.com)

    Or maybe just fax those questions to his big sister Jasmina 603-6250-0080.

    You see, "come to Petronas for the world championships, jump the world's tallest building for only $700" all sounds really great -- until you get into the details -- and that's where the devil always is.

    Anyone who wants to talk withme about this, write to me at robinheid@hotmail.com. I'll be happy to give you even more details of this-now sordid affair.


    But I ask everyone again: Just think about all the HOLES there are in this project less than one month before it's supposed to start and then think about what happened in Yosemite both in 1980 with the "legal" program and in 1999 with Jan Davis.

    As Dwain Weston says, "Preparation reduces risk."

    What you are seeing coming out of Dann Lee and Johnny Weasel and all those unnamed "technical directors" is complete and utter lack of preparation.

    And that means a dangerous increase in risks of all kinds.

    Robin Heid








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    RE: Right on, Insider

    Sue Runyon is arguably the best female BASE aerialist in the world and practices with diving and gymnastics coaches weekly. I just saw her at the Perrine doing twisting triples. She's a great example of a female BASE jumper on the cutting edge. Why wasn't she invited?

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    RE: Right on, Insider

    >One of them WAS a woman, Karin Sako, who >recently won an event at Moab.

    Yeah, the judges choice award. New pretty face on the BASE scene - that was a tough award to win. But her 50 jumps are enough to get her invited to KL out of ALL the American BASE jumpers. Sue and Brenda and Denise and Lisa...not experienced enough? not mature enough? not kissing your ass?

    Or could it be that Karin's pretty, she's Asian, and she's Dwain Weston's girlfriend? Yeah, wasn't Dwain one of your "technical directors" Robin? Hmmmmm..... interesting.

    And Jeb? The site burning psycho making thousands of dollars selling his "accidents" to Real TV. Yeah, that's politically correct. This is a guy willing to burn a site in order to get great video.

    Before you start ranting and raving about this Dann Lee guy, take a look at the way YOU were going to choose people to represent the Americans at your event. Was it fair? Was it based on ability to do well in the categories of competition? Or was it totally political. I agree with "Witness". How can you run a "World Championship" by invitation only when it has little to do with ability. At least with the Olympics they have trials to get the best athletes to the games. You apparently are the judge and jury of American BASE jumpers. And clearly from your choices, you're lost. Dude, get a freakin clue.
    Last edited by Johnny Utah; December 30th, 2004 at 12:58 PM. Reason: sn

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    RE: Petronas

    according to Robin, you were one of the 4 Americans chosen to go.

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    Setting it straight

    Karin Sako won Canopy Opening at Tombstone Challenge.
    She won Canopy Opening Judges Choice at Snake River BASE Games.

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    RE: Setting it straight

    Out of all the women competing, she has the least experience and is not the most deserving of a slot at Petronas. She just happens to be dating the right BASE jumper.

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    RE: Setting it straight

    That's it "Recond Keeper"? Your only comment to my post is to set the record straight? Canopy openings - ok, but where did she place overall? Where was Brenda overall - and Sue? Uh huh. With 50 jumps what are her tracking skills? And her aerials?

    Yeah, thought so.

    This isn't about sports and competing it's about politics and who you know. World Championship of ass kissing.


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    RE: Right on, Insider

    Why don't Robin or Mark or "Maringa" or Dwain have any response to this? You sure shut them up.

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    Whoa Nellie!

    The Record Keeper was just setting the record straight. The RK also agrees, it's who, not what you know for Petronas. The RK has an invitation to the event (both from Robin {from when he was still involved} and from Dann Lee more recently). The RK wouldn't go near it. It is such a CF. It's not going to be pretty. The jumpers that do go will be sadly disappointed. There are many premium BASE jumpers, both male and female that don't have a chance of getting on this load, they just don't know about the event, or don't know who to call, or just don't gots no clout, or $. (Possibly are smart enough to stay home).
    As a possible contender, I'm puzzled as to why I can't even get info from Dann Lee about rules and who is the "secret crew" running the thing. It's no doubt the crew's method of getting crew status is now haunting them. And what of Robin? Little bastard sure got his head chopped off, eh?

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    RE: Setting it straight

    >Or could it be that Karin's pretty,
    >she's Asian, and she's Dwain Weston's
    >girlfriend?
    >Sue and Brenda and Denise and Lisa

    Rarely.....and I mean rarely am I disgusted enough to warrant a reply to this banter.

    Five superb ladies, who all fly their brooms to a different tune, who all have over 150 jumps(multiple objects) who all are a treat to jump with...not forgetting Anne and Marta.

    So when you slag on "me mates" for decisions made by others,you slag on all.

    First Pint and Ground Crew Revoked....

    and believe me you are the first...

    UP YOUR BUM

    NIK



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    RE: Setting it straight

    >Out of all the women competing, she
    >has the least experience

    Actually, with over 150 BASE jumps she has the third least experience of any women competing in the IPBC in the last two comps.




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    RE: Right on, Insider

    >Sue Runyon is arguably the best female
    >BASE aerialist in the world

    Why do Americans always confuse "World" and "America"? Why do Americans always confuse "best" with "myself"?

    > I just saw her at the
    >Perrine doing twisting triples.

    How many BASE jumps did it take her to do a triple? Two or three - and was the twist in her lines or risers?

    >She's a great example of a female BASE
    >jumper on the cutting edge.

    Who's definition of "cutting edge"?



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    Come on, People!

    This thread has degenerated from a (somewhat constructive) discussion of the Petronas event, to a negative mudslinging between Robin and the Petronas organizers (Kudos to Robin for trying to keep that private as long as possible), to a ridiculous trashing of anyone who was ever considered by Robin or Dann as a possible Petronas competitor. What is up with you people?

    For the record, I would be proud to be allowed on a load with Sue Runyon, Brian Stokes, Denise Williams, Karin Sako, Jeb Corliss, Johnny Winkelkotter, Lisa Barton, Micke Nordqvist, Mark Hewitt, Robin Heid, Dwain Weston, Brenda McGlynn, Nik Hartshorne, Mick Knutson, or any of the dozens of people who have been trashed or will be trashed in this thread.

    In my opinion all of the above persons are better jumpers than myself, and more deserving of a slot on the Petronas load.

    Get a grip people. Jumping Petronas would be cool. But jumping anything with good friends would be better. The friends are more important than the object.

    Please, people, let's stop trashing each other.

    --Tom Aiello
    tbaiello@ucdavis.edu

    P.S. While I've wasted my time sitting here reading this shite, the real BASE jumpers just made a nice load. Congrats to AG and AV! Nice one guys!

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    RE: Setting it straight

    Nik! Your post hit the nail on the head. Folks, these are all good BASE jumpers and good people. Don't get them all muddy because of someone else's political BS.

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    RE: Come on, People!

    Well said Tom. Cheers to you and Nik for bringing us back to center. What a mess.

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