Break settings on a Flick for example.

[Skydawg]

The (old) "pull the toggles down to stall and mark" technique finds the DBS for an unvented canopy.

How would you find a DBS for a vented canopy, use the stall and mark, and then let up a bit?

[BASE_689]

> How would you find a DBS for a vented canopy, use the stall and mark, and then let up a bit?
My understanding is the following.
If with a Vtec+valved parachute you skydive, find the stall point, let up a bit (up to you are starting to fly properly): you find the perfect DBS for that parachute WITHOUT Vtec+valves. In fact you have found the stall point NOT at the opening (where Vtec+valves take a big role) but during "normal" flight, where Vtec does not play a big role (because of the valves).
But the only thing we can do on a skydive with our Vtec+valved BASE parachute is to find the DBS for the "unvented/unvalved" version of our BASE parachute.
To find the real DBS for our real parachute with Vtec+valves, we need to start trying (from that position) going shallower until we get to a position for DBS that allows opening and flying with brakes set WITHOUT being too close to stall point (so being able to do a riser turn without stalling).
Just my 0.02€

[Tom Aiello]

To find the real DBS for our real parachute with Vtec+valves, we need to start trying (from that position) going shallower until we get to a position for DBS that allows opening and flying with brakes set WITHOUT being too close to stall point (so being able to do a riser turn without stalling).

Yep. That's what I think, anyway. I have the luxury of being able to do repeated test jumps very easily, which I realize most people can't do.

Unfortunately, it's tough to generalize, since the correct set point will change with every canopy/jumper combination.

But, if we all started finding our custom settings, and posting the location of the setting in some standardized format, we could start to compile a database that would help people find the right settings for themselves.

I think you'd need to report (at a minimum):

canopy model
canopy size
total exit weight
control line configuration (4 or 5 lines, and where they are attached--this varies a bit, I think)
location of brake setting (probably in cm from the cascade, but maybe in cm from the innermost [or other designated] control line attachment to canopy--I think it needs to be in distance from the top because the "factory" settings have moved over the years, so they aren't a very reliable starting point)

What do you think? Should we start collecting data?

[Mac]

What do you think? Should we start collecting data?

I think thats a good idea.......... some reference table from this would be quite helpful I think

[Faber]

Just to say,that most manfuactored settings aint all wrong,what i did were to get sewed some loops to the toogle and simply pack it whith deeper brake then i made a bunch of jumps on it,then went deeper untill i opened in a stall,then i went shallower,got a hole bunch of jumps on it on that setting(in varius of wind)before i desided it were there..

It aint that bad just dont test it off a B..... but to a object thats safe as posibly(ofcourse a S is the best option,i did it on My local A....

just to thouse who as others no longer skydives..

[baseninja]

Is BR still shipping canopies with only one brake setting? And strongly suggesting not putting a second brake setting on there?

How is it possible for the Fox/Flik to have a single brake setting that is deep enough to avoid smacking a cliff slider down, but also shallow enough to keep the canopy from opening in a stall slider-up? How would a jumper adjust this to personalize this for their own weight? Are any other manufacturers doing this?

[Tom Aiello]

Is BR still shipping canopies with only one brake setting? And strongly suggesting not putting a second brake setting on there?

I believe so. But that's a question better directed to the manufacturer. I'm not sure if they're thinking of changing this in the Apex merger or not. Last I saw, Vertigo canopies were shipped with 2 settings, and BR with one. So I don't know what Apex will do in the future.

How is it possible for the Fox/Flik to have a single brake setting that is deep enough to avoid smacking a cliff slider down, but also shallow enough to keep the canopy from opening in a stall slider-up?

I'd say that's a question to direct to the manufacturer.

How would a jumper adjust this to personalize this for their own weight?

I'd say trial and error is your best bet at this point.

Are any other manufacturers doing this?

I don't know what's currently being shipped. You might want to ask the manufacturers that one, too.

[Faber]

My Flik(only like 6months old or so)came whit 1 setting,actualy i like it that way rather than 2 settings,that way its more easy to me and my rigger to move up and down on the brake setting as we like...
2 setting would make more work(IF you deside to make the personal settings)..
Just my 0.2

[baseninja]

I was actually wondering why canopies don't come with 6-8 settings.

I think most jumpers agree that it is important to adjust brake settings, and accept that they will most likely have to be moved from the factory settings.

However, I don't have the extra Dacron, bartack machines, fids, etc, and don't go to the rigging loft often enough to get them moved inch by inch... And if I do, my rigs are always packed after I jump, so I can't mess with it then... I think it would even help for when canopies get sold, and would be so much easier to dial-in your personal brake settings....

Just an idea...