looking for pics - BASE rig with front mount reserve rings

[Mac]

I know there are some guys out there that have the metal front mount reserve rings option on their BASE containers, so could you please post some pics of this option - as many as you can to show as much detail as possible. (Craig I remember you having some pics of this on a past post somewhere??)

Also, has anyone had this option retro-fitted, and did you have this done by a good rigger or by the manufactuer of the container?

Any other thoughts you have on doing this, please let me know - I am yet to speak to the manufacturer of my container to get more info as they are away at the moment - but I will be speaking to them anyway before going ahead with this.

Thanks

Michael

[Gus937]

What are you up to you cheeky monkey?

Gus

[Mac]

What are you up to you cheeky monkey?

Gus

nothing outrageous mate........ just want to skydive my gear before I go back to low altitude parachute deployment experiments (i trust my rig more than some clapped out large arsed container and a reserve). I will be seeing my old CCI this week to find out if he is happy with this set up, and have my rigger checking that the parachute organistation here in the UK aint gonna bollock him for doing such work.......

Im now on one crutch, so I am getting excited that I am nearing the day I return back!

[Tom Aiello]

Here is one on the Morpheus web site in high air speed testing.

I know that CR used to offer this as a standard option, so you might also just give Marty at Asylum a shout and ask him.

[Gus937]

Nice idea.

Don't the German BASE Association use front mounted reserves for their legal jumps? Maybe they'd be a good source of info.

Gus

[Tree]

Hey Mac,

You probbaly won't be permitted to jump that type of setup. A base harness is not TSO'd, so the addition of a reservev isn't likely to satisfy those who are concerned with such things. Now if you have someone cool who will let you skydive your base rig, why bother with a reserve at all? I've taken mione out of a cessna at 1000 maybe a dozen times, and its always fun.

Good luck,

Tree

[Craig]

Best one I have at the moment...

>just want to skydive my gear before I go back to low altitude parachute deployment experiments (i trust my rig more than some clapped out large arsed container and a reserve).

Why not? Are you saying the gear would not be servicable? You don't trust the rigger/packer that has put their name to the MOT? You'd rather trust an even older round? You'd rather land a round after injury than a square? I know you expect not to need it but sh1t happens at the most inoportune moments.

[Mac]

Hey Tree,

Yeah I wondered about the TSO thing, my rigger agreed with me that if people are able to get out of a plane with the shoddy looking and raggity round set ups that are acceptable, then if the CCI is happy with the workmanship with the container I have, then there may not be much of an issue - but again, I need to speak to these people more in detail about this and see if they are happy with it all - I am only wanting to do hop n pops from 6k so hopefully it will be ok - but knowing the BPA regs, it may turn out to be a no go.
When I was last at the DZ skydiving some years ago, my CCI was happy for me to jump my BASE canopy after he inspected it, although its not a well known in the skydiver world (or infact TSO'd???? not sure if this is so? are canopies needed to be TSO'd? Im not sure of this ruling at all) and because he was happy with the canopy he was happy for it to be jumped at his DZ, I am hoping the container is much of the same deal - When I was skydiving I was pretty friendly with the CCI, so hopefully I can jump my rig with a front mount, I was not that friendly that I could take it out anyhows like you, you lucky fu(ker! - nice work! - I would rather rely on my BASE rig then some of the $hitty bits of kit packed in a $hitty way that I have seen at some DZ's!! - in fact I would rather rely on my BASE gear than skydiving gear in any environment!

[Craig]

Hey Mac,

You probbaly won't be permitted to jump that type of setup. A base harness is not TSO'd, so the addition of a reservev isn't likely to satisfy those who are concerned with such things.
Good luck,

Tree

TSO, per se, is not required in the UK. Section 6 (Equipment) Para 1 (Parachutes - General) Sub-Para 1.1 of the British Parachute Assocation Operations Manual states,

"All sport parachutists intending to make a descent are to be equipped with a minimum of two airworthy parachutes attached to a common harness"

and Sub-Para 1.2 states,

"Parachutes may only be used if they are manufactured for Sport Parachutists or Military Parachutists, by recognised parachute equipment manufacturers or riggers with the necessary qualifications"

And this I think is the crux. The words "sport parachutists" and "recognised" being the important ones. Depends how they are interpreted.

[Mac]

Best one I have at the moment...

>just want to skydive my gear before I go back to low altitude parachute deployment experiments (i trust my rig more than some clapped out large arsed container and a reserve).

Why not? Are you saying the gear would not be servicable? You don't trust the rigger/packer that has put their name to the MOT? You'd rather trust an even older round? You'd rather land a round after injury than a square? I know you expect not to need it but sh1t happens at the most inoportune moments.

Hey Craig, What I meant is that I am more trusting of my container and canopy and packing then trying to pack my canopy into a dual parachute container - I would be happier in my canopy coming off my back from my single parachute container then trying to squeeze it into a skydive rig. I would trust my rig on a terminal jump with no reserve, so why not trust it on a skydive? I would not trust it in a cramped container, its a head fu(k thing I guess - after 3 years out of skydiving, I am scared!

[Tom Aiello]

When I was last at the DZ skydiving some years ago, my CCI was happy for me to jump my BASE canopy...

Not sure if you have any over there, but I was able to find a couple BASE friendly DZ's in the states where the DZO let me just jump the BASE gear with no reserve. They were all small time cessna type operations, though.

[Johnny Utah]

When I was last at the DZ skydiving some years ago, my CCI was happy for me to jump my BASE canopy after he inspected it, although its not a well known in the skydiver world (or infact TSO'd???? not sure if this is so? are canopies needed to be TSO'd? Im not sure of this ruling at all)

In the US, only the harness/container and the reserve parachute need to be TSO'd. It is legal to jump a non-TSO'd main.

[audacium]

Hi Mac,


as I am jumping in Germany and as I am member of the VDO (German base jump association) I can confirm we sometimes use rigs with a chest-mounted reserve, usually for legal jumps. (Of course anyone is free to use them at other opportunities as well.) As far as I know most rigs which can take a chest reserve are the Perigee Pro from CR, and they have been modified especially for this.
That is why I am not sure whether it is possible to just have a rigger install two D-rings onto the MLW. I think it should be (and was) reinforced especially at the attachment points in order to take the D-rings. After all, there is some major work to do on major parts of the harness in order to securely fix the D-rings.
Another thing which is special in Germany: In order to do legal jumps the rig has to be certified (like a skydiving rig) with the normal drop tests etc. From the US only CR was willing to do this, that is why mostly CR rigs have this modification. I am sure any manufacturer can do this, though. In Germany Performance Variable is offering this option for their Relax-container as well, I believe.

So, best would be indeed to give Marty from Asylum a call and ask him, or contact Mahle from the VDO (website: www.base-jump.de)


Eduard.

[Mac]

or contact Mahle from the VDO

I have now had a good few techincal emails and converstations with Mahle, I appreciate his time and knowledge, It was certainly worth taking the time to speak with him. I am now discussing things with the manufacturer of my container with things Mahle had said and visa versa.......... at least its increasing my knowledge on things if nothing else...........

Mahle, Thanks for your thoughts and time.........

[Tom Aiello]

at least its increasing my knowledge on things if nothing else...........

Can you share anything you've learned?

Thanks!