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    RE-POST READ AGAIN.

    MOAB - Technical Considerations………

    ……..and the self-evaluation process. I have made some observations in the last few months. After careful consideration of my observations, coupled with high quality digital video of many jumps, I have a few opinions I would like to put up for discussion. During canopy openings in any appreciable amount of wind I have noticed that as long as the lines are in order and straight, the pack job does not have nearly as great an effect on the direction or quality of the opening as the wind. On every occasion where there was more than a 90 degree off heading opening, wind seemed to be the main controlling factor. All changes in heading occurred immediately after the canopy left the container and before line stretch at the locking stow. Consider that this is the time of initial pressurization and that the canopy is particularly susceptible to wind-induced turn. My conclusion to this is that since we do not, at this time have a gear related solution to this, we will always have wind-induced off -heading openings. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE OFF-HEADING OPENINGS ! Your canopy is at some point going to open at 180 degrees and you will need to turn it before you hit the wall. Let's discuss the factors involved in turning the canopy. My observations and personal experience with several wind-induced off heading openings has been that a lightly wing-loaded canopy with anywhere near a 180 and wind on the tail can not turn effectively and consistently with riser input only. Only the toggles and, if 180, the proper direction of turn (into the wind) will work. If the jumper wastes time in an attempt to turn the canopy with the risers, then the toggles are not an option and the jumper WILL STRIKE THE WALL if there is any wind on the tail. And now a brief discussion of wind and rotors is in order: whenever you have wind you are going to have rotors created by the objects that you are jumping from. There are many rock fingers in Moab and the bottoms of the canyons are filled with talus. Wind on rocks creates rotors and the slope of the talus coupled with the thermal effects cause the winds to rise at angles to the rocks. If the wind is coming from your left and you have as much as a 20 left, the canopy will have a tendency to turn into the wind. If the wind that induced this left turn is part of a rotor, the canopy will most likely turn left to 180 or more. At this point, if there is also laminar (straight) wind from behind, you will be pinned against the wall and any further attempt to turn with risers will result in a turn accompanied by a collapse of the side now facing the wall and the jumper hitting the wall again and again. It is therefore my opinion that in even light wind, immediate toggle input is indicated. Turn into the wind by burying the toggle on the side you want to turn towards and slowly release the opposite toggle until the turn is completing. Then confront the wind with toggles full up and front risers pulled down if necessary (usually not).

    Speaking of toggles. I have seen several ideas and designs. I feel that all the ones I have seen are basically OK if the person is clued in on how to stow them properly. I saw one person who didn't know how to stow their toggles blame someone else when they lost both toggles on opening and almost had a serious problem. My advice to everyone is to learn as much as you can about your equipment. It's there to save your life. This is not a game and this is not the drop zone.

    Now some advise for low timers and their instructors. More ground school please. If you want to BASE jump, buy your own gear and don't jump junk. . Learn your gear. Talk to the manufacturers. Read the manuals. Do not depend on others. They can't hold your hand in freefall. This is not AFF ! When you jump, you are alone. You must be SURE that you can deal with anything that happens after opening. Your accuracy needs to be top notch.

    Let's discuss the exit. Body position is very important at opening. You need to do everything possible to get a good launch. Run if you can. It's not so important what position you use as long as you are getting yourself as far as possible away from the wall. There is great benefit in getting a clean exit and in getting as far away from the rock as possible. That makes it more likely that you will have an on-heading opening and that if you don't, you'll be a little farther away from the wall and have more time to turn away. Taking the longest possible delay (within reason) has multiple benefits. It gets you farther away; it increases your speed, which makes for better openings with less potential for wind-induced off-heading openings. And it's more fun. Remember, rocks are usually very unforgiving.

    Concerning landing; if possible, check out the landing area. Put a wind drift indicator out. Check for rocks. Check for alternate landing areas closer to exit in case of a short glide cause by problems or delays. Let a more experienced jumper go first and give you some help on a radio if possible. Learn from other people's mishaps and avoid having your own if possible. New BASE jumpers should realize that YOU ARE NOT AT THE DROP ZONE. You are in hostile territory and unless you are sure of your landing area and your skills, you will be considerably more likely to get hurt. Almost all the injuries I have seen in Moab are the result of a poorly planned or poorly executed landing. Full body armor is in order unless you are really sure of your landings. And even then, lineovers, off-heading openings and other things will occur and put you into a bad landing area occasionally. Plan for the worst. Learn to think under canopy and do the smart thing without delay. Build your canopy skills by skydiving your BASE canopy, even if you have to buy a separate TSO'ed container to use your BASE canopy at the local DZ. Talk to hang glider pilots and paraglider pilots to learn about wind and rotors. Read all you can about hang gliding and paragliding from cliffs and in wind. These groups have been doing their thing a long time and have learned a lot; most of it the hard way with injuries and fatalities. I would like to close by reminding everyone to ask yourself before every jump "am I ready for this site in these conditions?" Are you in control of your destiny? If you are not sure about a jump, don't jump. Go somewhere safe and easy until you get better. Think for yourself. Think about the details.
    STAY ALIVE - DON'T GET HURT.

    Earl Redfern


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    RE: thanks for the Saftey tips

    thanks for the "safety" tips. I am wondering what saftey concerns you employed, when you taught a non skydiver how to basejump.( who would soon incure a serious inury while under canapy) This is not a personal slam towards you earl, were just a bit concerned about whats goning on in moab( or elsewhere). If we are to keep access open in maob it is up to us to not just teach any local with the desire and money. (even if we like and drink beer with them regularly.) Im not saying we should't teach fellow skydivers to basejump, but maybe the advice I gave to the above mentioned injured local(when approached several years back) would be sound." Give me a call after you have made several hundred skydives/pararchute flights, and will look into you ability to learn basejumping" sorry about the spelling and grammer in the post. I hope we can have a civil and adult exchange of ideas in the future. Feel free to email me at baseit@netscape.net to further the discusion

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    RE: RE-POST READ AGAIN.

    If you go to your toggles to fix the dreaded 180 situation...isn't there a forward surge that can put you into the wall faster? I was under the impression that that was the reason to use riser imput to stop the forward motion then turn away from the object. Any imput would be greatly appreciated!
    c-ya!
    BASE # 578

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    Thanks Earl for sharing this valuable knowledge!

    This posting brings two important points:
    1) the line mod: your canopies performance with
    toggles and the line mod can depend a lot on how
    you hold your arms. keep this in mind. results
    vary depending if you go straight down, to the
    side, or in front of you with your toggles.

    2) the ability to get the toggles quickly is
    very important. a small difficult to unstow
    toggle may be dropped when you go for it. at the
    point, the toggle will fly behind you with the
    line mod. the bigger toggles i've used worked
    great. so here is something to think about:
    should we go to bigger toggles?

    on the down side, it might provide snag potential
    and there may be other potential problems that
    haven't been thought of yet.

    What do you think??!!???

    -BASE 460


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    Toggles and Risers

    Just a couple of days ago, I was talking to Earl and watching some of his video footage. If there is any push on your behind while facing a wall, it seems difficult to get a fast enough reaction out of a riser turn. (after seeing his footage)

    I personally have always made my corrections with risers. But just yesterday, I had a 160 left off of Mari's Gash, got on it quickly with my rear riser, but had a slow response from the canopy because of an unexpected *slight* wind that pushed me gently towards the wall.

    Could toggle input be more effective? Maybe so, maybe not.

    There are alot of considerations when deciding whether to go for your toggles or your risers and I think a full discussion about both would be very useful here.

    I have lots of thoughts on this subject, but no time. I'm hanging out in Moab and jumping like crazy right now, but will be at "home" in a week or so and will post more then.

    C-ya!

    Bryan

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    RESPONSE TO CHUCK

    Chuck,
    If you are speaking of Matt Moore, I would like to give you some information you are obviously lacking. Prior to his injury here in Moab, Matt had 17 skydives, over 125 paraglider flights, two days of jumping from the bridge in Twin Falls and one other cliff jump from "The Short Stick". In all previous jumps he performed flawlwssly in his exits, frefalls and canopy controll. It was his decision to jump here, not mine. However, based on his previous performance, we all thought he would do fine. His accident was the result of bad judgement in deciding to do a 360 after an otherwise good exit followed by a fine opening. I would like to make it clear here that I do not advertise BASE instruction, nor have I ever charged anyone for my help. I would like to suggest that everyone GET THE FACTS before posting accusations here.

    Earl Redfern - Moab, Utah

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    REPLY TO RAY

    Ray,
    If you unstow your toggles and do not immediately pull them down to at least the point where the "cat's eye" is even with the keeper ring then, yes, the canopy will surge. However, the recommend technique for clearing them to correct an off-heading opening is to unstow and burry the one on the side you want to turn too and unstow and extend upwards on the opposite one. This will give you maximum turn performance on the canopy without much forward surge. This action must be done immediately on opening, not after waiting for the canopy to develop any forward speed. My recommendation is to learn and plan to always use toggles immediately and forget using risers unless you loose a toggle on deployment for some reason. I welcome further discussion on this. I spent a long hour with a friend who has a serious head injury recently and his pain is etched into my mind and heart. I do not want to see another injury resulting from an off-heading opening when there is time to turn using the proper technique. I love you all, my brothers and sisters.

    Earl

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    RE: RESPONSE TO CHUCK

    earl,
    glad to hear you used some judgement in reguards to the matt situation. Nothing personal ment by the posting, just a concerned local trying to maintain access for the future.
    chuck

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    RE: thanks for the Saftey tips

    Since I know/met Earl and Chuck, i wish to be anonymous..
    The comment...
    "but maybe the advice I gave to the above mentioned injured local(when approached several
    years back) would be sound." Give me a call after you have made several hundred skydives/pararchute flights, and will look into you ability to learn basejumping"
    NO WAY!! Why? For canopy control? Who has several hundred skydives on base canopies and then learns to base jump? Base jumping is not and should not be taught as an extension of skydiving. Emergencies under extreme adrenaline and only 1 or two seconds for a decision needs to be experienced first hand and all the skydives in the world will not prepare a person for that. Some people have 1000 jumps and will not basejump, some have 50 and are ready to go. Some people will learn on their own if some local says to come back after several hundred skydives or they may be dead because they had the desire and someone turned them away. I still have less then 200 skydives, but have over 55 basejumps. I would just go elsewhere when seeking help about basejumping and in some of my early base jumping 1-20 got banged up on some of those because of no help. My hats off to Earl for helping people to base jump when people ask him. This is no shot at you Chuck and I know you are very safety minded, but where is the fun in teaching basejumping to someone like it's an AFF jump course, it takes the fun out of it. I mean having people close there eyes and visualize there base jump like an RW jump, its safe but wheres the fun? Anyway, later.

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