Taking Pin Rig Low?

**crwper** · May 9th, 2002, 11:53 AM

I'm curious, Tom, what factors would contribute in your choice not to untuck the flap. I realize there are some pin protection issues. Anything else?

Michael

**crwper** · May 9th, 2002, 11:57 AM

Hey, we've been piling up snow under our favourite 111-foot span here for you! What gives? Was it something we said? &-)

Michael

**freakboy** · May 9th, 2002, 03:21 PM

Gabe I was one of the guys from Indy.The tatooed and pierced one.Nice hearing from you.

guest · May 9th, 2002, 03:23 PM

I was there too. You were also at the Skydive Indiana boogie that we were at a few years back.

guest · May 9th, 2002, 03:27 PM

Of course, if it was a Black Jack, it would have openied quick and actually flared worth a dam.

For those who doubt: CR's canopies open quick AND fly like a champion.

Unlike the competitor's fix to a poor opening sequence. See for yourself....

TJ

(the opinions expressed our solely those of the poster)

guest · May 9th, 2002, 04:37 PM

I regularly freefall with this same setup from the 20 foot roof of my house into my pool.

in all seriousness, two factors come to mind, but if anything anyone recommends to you doesn't make sense, clarify for yourself before proceeding. Put on the rig, lay on the floor, and have someone extract the pins and possibly the canopy. Try having it pulled out at different angles, toward your head, your feet, from the side.

secondly, IMHO, pilot chute inflation technique is critical for doing super-low stuff. I've seen one fairly innovative technique and discovered another, along with others such as DW. ask more and your will learn.

imported_Tom Aiello · May 9th, 2002, 09:07 PM

I'm not sure I follow your question.

I prefer to leave the flap tucked whenever possible, as it provides better pin protection.

At ultra low altitudes, I have some concerns that the flap can cause PC hesitations on some rigs. On other rigs, I don't have those concerns, so I don't untuck the flap.

Basically, I leave the flap tucked unless I can come up with a good reason to untuck it.

--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@mac.com

**crwper** · May 10th, 2002, 08:40 AM

I've heard the Blackjack is great in deep brakes, but doesn't open as quickly as a v-tec Fox.

We've been working on a lot of super-low stuff up here, some of us with an eye toward a few double-digit jumps... I'd love to hear from anyone with experience on 100-120 foot objects using the Blackjack. Brand loyalty isn't as important to me as walking away from each jump.

Michael

**Skinflicka** · May 10th, 2002, 01:59 PM

My only sub 120' jump was slider up so I can't really compare.

Skin :o

obi · May 11th, 2002, 11:28 PM

>secondly, IMHO, pilot chute inflation technique
>is critical for doing super-low stuff. I've
>seen one fairly innovative technique and
>discovered another, along with others such as
>DW. ask more and your will learn.

So what about that innovative technique? The fastest one I know is throwing a mushroom upwards on go. Anything better?

guest · May 12th, 2002, 03:38 PM

Relating the question about pin rigs and low. I don't feel there is a great deal of issue about disadvantages to deployments. If anything there may be some argument that velcro, due to its relative unpredictability, is of more concern. The main disadvantage to pin is when going handheld you want to be dam careful as you climb over rails or prance around the exit point as the slightest snag on the bridle and your pack job is around your ankles.

As someone who did a heck of a lot of very low FF's with DW we learned a lot about the importance of gear selection. This was particularly the case re canopies. The V tec came out in response to problems experienced pressurising at low airpseeds on Foxes. It has revolutionised attitudes in the sport about low FF's. A vivid memory was FF a 159 foot span in PDX with DW with a Mojo 280. I opened noticably lower than Goldilocks who had a Vtec 245. Canopy weight plays a big part. Less so the container selection. Techniques for PC deployment are useful too. I have done gainers off the 210 fot span refered earlier and Goldilocks doubles - there is still a long way to go and room to move guys.

What I also learned was that while you may have a number of good quick openings that put you right where you want. Every now and then the variability of a low airspeed deployment would come into play and you would find yourself lower than planned. This is the zone where impact seems imminent it comes as a surprise that the canopy opens somehow beforehand. Be careful of this zone as you are not likely to make good decisions.

Progress gradually in taking the height down and use a LAZER!

Go get em boys!

Luv SLIM