Try clearing the offending side with an input to the offending side, not the opposite side, altitude likely permitting. otherwise opposite for control.
Pumping the opposite side from the prob is not likely to achieve anything helpful IMHO.
HUCKLBERRY wrote;
"pumping my right rear riser and trying to clear the mess on the left"
take care,
armchair pilot
space
It seems that the only thing against this idea is big mesh in the slider having the potential to catch the tailgate....
Comments?
Karen?
Anne?
Todd?
BR?
else?
take care,
space
Very good Space.
What would you do? Hope your ready for it, because I don't wish it upon anyone!
Be safe
Hucklberry
I would have to agree with Space on this one, and it comes down to practicing emergency procedures. Think about what is actually going on with the line over on the left side, what would pumping the right riser do? not much.
I think you have only 3 solutions
Cut the line/brake (or release)
or
Bury/pump the brake that is over
or
Ride the f*cker in and see what happens
I think you made the right decision, but sounds like it was a little too late. OUCH. It is so hard to sit back and point fingers, BUT does everyone know what the procedures are in relation to specific malfunctions?
In your case, I see the lack of appropriate delay compounded by the incorrect procedure followed with the correct procedure. Which given more altitude would have been ok, but the the time spent trying the incorrect methods wasted a lot of altitude. (relative term there). and Dude yes you had the release toggles, but you still hammered in. And what if your line over consisted of a "D" line (rare)? what then? do you practing grabbing your hook knife and cutting a line? or do the release toggles give a false sense of safety? (i agree in the fact they are a great tool for survival).
Learning from the mistakes of others has certainly keep us all alive.
are there procedures written out in a manual? for the newbies not taught by Experienced jumpers? we could all benefit by a guideline of sorts to deal with everything properly. Maybe there is one posted?
After watching video of the amount of lineovers at the Petronas event in 2001, I wanted to try to figure out how to prevent lineovers. Lineovers slider up happen a hell of a lot more often than we think, but most of the time they clear themselves. In my BASE career I've had one lineover that I know of, but it cleared itself - it only takes one that doesn't clear itself to do you in...as Huckleberry knows.
Tom Aiello successfully used a hook kife once. I've seen video of people riding line overs in without incident. Huckleberry's story is the first incident (Kuddos to Huckleberry for sharing his experience) I've heard of where the WLO type toggles were used - but to no avail...I still aint gonna buy em cause look what happened. What if Huckleberry tried to steer toward a safer area, or tried to steer it in somehow instead of fiddling with the toggle? I like to open low so these toggles, or reserves, are of little or no use to me.
The answer lies in preventing the problem. Look how often the linemod is used after the widespread use of the Tailgate. Vertigo has a good preventative plan - rubberbanding the upper control lines to the tail side of the slider, but what happens when the slider begins to move down? My idea of using one inch double wrapped masking tape just above the slider works well - I've got it documented on video as being somewhat effective to promote the nose to inflate before the tail on up to 7 second delays (no video documentation beyond that). But is this good enough? we need a way to keep the upper control lines more constricted throughout the opening.
Anne has effectively used the Tailgate on terminal jumpswith a small hole mesh slider, but is there enough force to open the tailgate without hesitation on shorter delays? !!Don't forget about the small possibility of the slider hang up when using a tailgate and large hole mesh slider!!
What about slider size (go to www.basejump.org - Vtec discussion)? How can we prevent the one thing that can phuck us? I've seen too many injuries and had too many friends die as a result of these problems. The masking tape procedure has apparently worked for the past 300 or so slider up jumps I've made...
still thinking
JJ
since im a student of jj and he is my mentor ,hero ,and friend
i started using the masking tape as well for the last 150 jumps, it seems to be working good dont have video of the openings but its a good packing tool to keep the lines in the centre(red tail gate lines). i been using it all the way down to 3-4sec slider up jumps of 600 f bridges up to 2-3 wraps.
claus
>It seems that the only thing against this idea is big mesh in
>the slider having the potential to catch the tailgate....
>Comments?
I own a Icarus tandem-canopy and since it has no brake-settings, the control-lines are very long in the pack-job. To prevent a line-over I tried some different methods, one was installing a tailgate. It slowed down the openings A LOT. It just held the tail together and it took sooo much longer till the canopy had enough force to push the slider down. I know, it is a huge sail-lider and not the same as a mesh-slider, but still I wouldn't wanna do it in base. Not too long ago I had a snivelly opening on a wingsuit-base-flight and I was not very pleased. If possible I would like to stay away from that snivelly stuff... brrrr...
Obi
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