Kjerag Incidents

guest · July 25th, 2002, 01:07 PM

I am here scraping the dead off the cliff and instructing students to jump off. Three days ago a woman with 5 BASE good jumps from the Perrine bridge died from impacting after never deploying her pilot chute.

Today a first time jumper exited unstable and had a 180 degree offheading striking the cliff. He is OK and the resuce teams are currently removing him from the wall.

Ignore the media reports as you should if you have any intelligence. Forget about posting with your uninformed gibberish.

MD 4
:-)

guest · July 25th, 2002, 09:32 PM

What exactly does this involve, "scraping people off". Are you a part of a rescue team on site, what do you do when an accident occurs? What is your background for dealing with dead and dying people. Do you have previous training in this sort of "job"?
Usually when it's not our own personal friends, this is left to professionals. Is it different in Kjerag?

guest · July 25th, 2002, 11:09 PM

Obviously Jim J is a true hero...

Local climbers are doing the dirty work in the wall, voluntarely! For the last 7 years.

This morning they rescued a 49 year old yoga professor from Spain. He had been sitting there for 9 hrs.

guest · July 26th, 2002, 01:18 AM

Now there's dedication for you. Land on the side of a cliff for some peace and solitude, I just hope he doesn't start a trend of BASE jumping yoga practitioners.

:-)

guest · July 26th, 2002, 01:30 AM

Rumour has it that because Lori Barr ended up so low (about 250m above landing area) various BASE jumpers could climb up to her and take a "good look". However, they couldn't bring her down, and therefore had to wait for professional rescuers. "Various BASE jumpers" evidently encompassing a little group of on-site jumpers/instructors who, if I'm correct, have started a "BASE rescue team" of some sort(?) to assist the climbers. I don't know if this is the case, but rumour also has it that these people have no training or background otherwise in dealing with this sort of thing.

I don't know if any of this is true, but it sounds absolutely horrible if it is. The thought of having nosy bystanders milling around the body of your loved one or yourself under the pretext of being a "BASE rescue team" just doesn't sound very appealing.

Obviously if you BASE jump you could end up dead in very public places. That's not the issue as much as people posing as "experts" when in fact perhaps less experts than any of us.

This is NOT to criticize individuals, rather the concept if this in fact is happening at Kjerag.

Micke N · July 26th, 2002, 12:32 PM

The thought behind the "BASE rescue team" is to help fellow BASE jumpers stuck and/or hurt when jumping Kjerag. Jumpers on location ("BASE rescue team") are usually able to get to the jumper faster than the professional rescue team.

This is how it should be and how it MUST be. When we have an accident we cannot just sit and wait for the professional rescue team, we need to act regardless of we suspect the jumper is dead.

There is a "tradition" of helping the rescueteams in Norway, it has been and it will continue. I don't know how you would like to be treaten after at bad landing or worse, left alone for a couple of hours, because your friends are afraid to get there hands "dirty" while waiting for the rescueteam to reach you, or see your friends working there buts off to reach you the fastest way they know...

**space** · July 26th, 2002, 01:36 PM

To jojo,
Your concern is about nosy bystanders?
I´ve never told anyone to farck off in this forum before. I now tell you jojo to farck off!
Climbing, retrieval equipment was purchased in 1997 by the NBF to benefit the volunteer SAR there.
If you had a farcking clue you would know that 250m msl under #7 sucks big time. The BASE rescue team has been in effect since before the last millenium you geek. You wish to flame the jumpers/full time instructors offering help in recovering the body. Farck you.
What background does one need in your farcking opinion to recover a dead body?
The thing that sucks about this is that JJ, Rob or any of the other foreign volunteers have NO free access to pschyological help as the other nationals. What about the volunteers you geek? They are still living, not eating until they are starving because one´s food looks like exploding body parts. Farck you! What the farck about us? The victim is dead, The rescuers pick up up the parts, get debriefed by experts in PTSD, and us eyewitnessing volunteers are left trying to figure out if our mashed potatoes represent exploding skull or if it was just the jumpsuit color as we are struggling to take another bite, the first in 3 days. Farck you!
Maybe since 4 impacts there at #7, a video of the exploding body complete with the Skull vs Granite sound would be a really cool addition to the FJC.
There are NO Volunteers posing as experts at Kjerag, They are all top of the line professionals without recourse to psychological help if they are foriegners. And they and I do it it anyway…Your concept really pisses me off as it is so shortsitghted.
We as Volunteers of keeper of the site and NBF,BR,CR,Vertigo, etc (whether actively or passively) have decreased the death ratio from the 80´s by an astounding 3200% but by your farcking concept if one soaks one cork one is a cork soaker for life regardless if one has saved hundreds of corks from being soaked. Farck your concept!
Take care,
space

**gowaylow** · July 26th, 2002, 03:23 PM

right on space I'm with you .

did you get your hot sauce?????

have a go way low day.
base #449

**space** · July 26th, 2002, 08:34 PM

Yes, a very high thank you is in order Thank you!!!
the 7 days after opening rule on the salsa was hard as the cafe owners and staff loved it but were slow and and I ran out of patience and applied it to my taste buds in the required time. Thanks to you guys who supplied me with 6 Kg of Hotsauce. Also thanks to Mick the Moderator for this forum to make such a request be realized... If only all of life was so easy.....Thanks a Million!! you guys rock!
take care,
space

**david** · July 27th, 2002, 06:45 AM

Very enlightening post space. Makes one realize that the victims and their families and not the only ones who suffer dealing with this type of tradegy. I have the upmost respect for all the volunteers who are involved in such rescue and recovery operations. Great post.

Dave O

guest · July 27th, 2002, 02:03 PM

Space,
My Daughter reads this Board.
Please edit your posting.
We have never heard such vulgar language from you! Shame on you!
Sounds like you should go make a Jump!
Or maybe it's the Old Age Syndrome.

"The only thing we have to Fear is Fear itself".
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Inaugaral presidential address,March 4, 1933

**space** · July 27th, 2002, 06:35 PM

Post edited, 800% is changed to 3200%. how old is your daughter?
take care
space

guest · July 29th, 2002, 12:10 AM

Leaders have the diginity and integrity to post their names.

If your daughter reads this board she should accept the fact that BASE jumpers sometimes go through some gruesome shite, and most seasoned BASE jumpers have accepted the fact they may die from their sport. Tracy is only expressing his feelings after some stupid a-hole posted gibberish.

Maybe you should put a child block for your daughter for her computer access to this site.

JIM J
:-)

guest · July 28th, 2002, 06:50 PM

No bystanders climbed up. Four rescuers arrived @ 20 minutes after the accident. They were Kim of the Stavanger BASE Association, Matt, J.J. and another fellow (was it Stein ?) whose name I don't yet have. I carried rope and another pack for these guys and I can tell you they were professional climbers as far as I could tell. They risked their lives to reach Lori's body and come back down to the highest ledge I could safely get to and confirm the obvious.

My hat is off to you guys and we have designated the Stavanger BASE Association as recipient of any donations in Lori's memory. You will be hearing from me.

guest · July 29th, 2002, 09:29 AM

Don't take this the wrong way Space, but the guy has a point. If I bounced I would prefer other BASE jumpers to stay away simply because it would be traumatic for them. Lori was clearly dead, so why rush up there before the professional rescuers arrive? They are trained to deal with trauma and therefore receive PTSD support and counselling. I would hugely appreciate fellow jumpers making their way to me if I had a cliff strike, especially if it was getting dark. Locating the victim early and marking with lights etc greatly speeds up the rescue and is a huge psychological boost for the victim. I have witnessed three skydiving fatalities and two cliff strikes in BASE resulting in heli rescues. No-one rushed to the guys who were clearly dead including me, although I have para medic training. We waited for the professionals. Everyone rushed to help the guys who were injured. Just my opinion and not wishing to criticise you guys for your well intentioned efforts.