running exit whith SL

[Faber]

Were this done?
and if yes does any have some setups i could have a look at(pics and discibtion) so i could build myself one aswell...

Thanks...

[mikki_zh]

Go to:
SonicBeef Forums - NEW SONIC BEEF BASE VID... (by #2) (http://www.sonicbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174)

and download the 30MB vid.
At 1:42 min you can see some SL jumps with running exits

[Faber]

Thanks(DL the video right now)
Does any want to share such a setup for me then i would apritiate :)

EDIT:
Just saw the video,its running PCA not SL,ill need a SL setup,i will be solo on the object...

[ZegeunerLeben]

>>I've got video of some running SL exit's. It's off a rock, and it looks like they just somehow bolted a carabiner of some sort right into it, and just tied their breakcord around that and their bridle (which was longer than I've seen, but that doesn't neccesarily mean anything, not alot of SL here that I know of). It's a VHS though.

[matt]

Go to:
http://www.sonicbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174

and download the 30MB vid.
At 1:42 min you can see some SL jumps with running exits

Yeah, What he said, that is all the daytime SL we have though.

[pringles]

Apparently I am confused. In the video it appears to me that they are all doing a running PCA. Pilot chute assist. Static line is when you actually tie off to the object. There is a big difference between the two. Forgive me if I am wrong. It isn't very easy to see however the first jumper to go into the quarry it appears that the camera person is holding the pc. I couldn't see in the other jumps but I am assuming the same method is used.

Faber
I would almost think that you could make another take with you static line bridle that would meet your needs. Obviously you would have to consider the weight and length of the setup though.

Just my intoxitcated thoughts.

[Blitzkrieg]

i know this doesn't help answer your question much, but the last guy to jump into the quarry in that video is SL'd to a tree.

[base570]

Looked like all of the PC's got drug down the side of the cliff :confused: How many of those needed to be replaced? Why not create a clear path for the PC to travel?

Jason
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[Faber]

Sorry guys to me it looked like they were PCAéd off by the camera guy(or that he atleast helped to hold the bridel).

As im alone around here ill need a setup that can be used solo...

Jason,if you look at the video of one of the last jumpers,theyre close to the wall,i think they rather wanted a canopy out fast,and take the chance on the pc.It dont looks like a regular jump through(but WAY cool,and kind of similar to what i want..)

My biggest concer on a running exit,would be the remain bridel and clerence,its kind of important that the pins dont pop before your free off the cliff.

My thourght were yo make an ancor,whith a rope,then attach my SL to it,but im afrraid that if the rope or bridel can pull the pins just by the weight and friction..(guess ill need to do some tests any way).

If the people in the above video idnt got any help on the bridel(while doing the run)then im keen to know how it were done..

Thanks so far

[matt]

Looked like all of the PC's got drug down the side of the cliff :confused: How many of those needed to be replaced? Why not create a clear path for the PC to travel?

Jason
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Last guy static lined in. Someone you all know, then my wife, then I, were all PCA'd. Our PC's didn't drag that much and definitely not down the side of the hill. The only way to make a more clear path would have been to use machinery. You could have done it like an insane friend of ours and just freefell it but you have to miss a series of ledges.

[Mac]

Last guy static lined in. Someone you all know, then my wife, then I, were all PCA'd. Our PC's didn't drag that much and definitely not down the side of the hill. The only way to make a more clear path would have been to use machinery. You could have done it like an insane friend of ours and just freefell it but you have to miss a series of ledges.

just curious, what was the height of that object? what was the distance of the ledges horizontal and vertical from exit?

[matt]

just curious, what was the height of that object? what was the distance of the ledges horizontal and vertical from exit?

Hopefully I get corrected corrected if I am wrong but what I remember about it they were about 75 feet apart verticly, five to ten feet horizontal from side, and far enough out that a good push would get you to clear them. Without it you would be hating it. I watched the vid of my buddy freefalling it and he was real close to the second tier. You can see that there really isn't that much room to get a running start.

[Mac]

So what was the height of the object?
am I right in saying that the first ledge is 75ft vertically from exit and 10ft horizontally from exit? Do other ledges then stick out more horizontally?

[John Hayes]

So what was the height of the object?
am I right in saying that the first ledge is 75ft vertically from exit and 10ft horizontally from exit? Do other ledges then stick out more horizontally?We shot it with a lazer range finder and it was almost 400 feet from the top to the bottom. We had to prime the shrival flap of my friends rig that Freefell the thing. He got a pretty good run at it about 6 good steps and kicked off hard. He fell past the first ledge and oppened out in front of the second ledge.

If it was a shear wall it would be one hell of a nice object for regular jumping.

Faber,
The first time I went there to jump, we used about 10 feet of rope and anchored it around a tree. Then we used about 2 feet of break cord. We laid our PC's as close to the edge as we could then extended our bridles, walked backwards and ran like hell. Ive got 3 jumps off this Quarry, and I have seen about 15 jumps there as well.

Jason,
Pilot chutes are only about $60 dollars, I change them out pretty regular. Whats $60 for a good time

[matt]

So what was the height of the object?
am I right in saying that the first ledge is 75ft vertically from exit and 10ft horizontally from exit? Do other ledges then stick out more horizontally?

Well it tiers out every 50-75 feet for 5-10 feet. so down another 50-75 feet it is out from the face another 5-10 feet. I think the hieght of it was about 300. My buddy shot it with a laser but I don't remember what the distance was. You can feefall it as my buddy did. Me not so much.

[Mac]

thanks. Sorry I was just trying to work out visually why a PCA / SL would be more benficial than freefalling such an object with a good launch (ie the seperation from the object on opening from PCA v freefall)

I cant seem to find it at the moment, but 689 (i think) had a good table with horizontal v vertical distances and horizontal v vertical velocity / speed from an object after launch.......... can anyone else find it / have it?

[Faber]

cheers guys
Hmm sounds like an object i would like to try... :D

[CrazyThomas]

Running? seriously Faber, be honest about it. From what I have heard, you are much to much of a lazy boy like Mac to do ANY running. After all, climbing to 185 feet is about as much work as you like to put in for a jump. Running? Well, I guess I can see it as you aren't talking about running very far :D :D .

The only thing I have ever heard as a precautionary, is something about slack in a static line. Something to the extent that it is unsafe to do a 30-40 foot static line, for the fact that when the slack is pulled out, ie:, the static line tightens, too much slack can generate enough force to break the static line before complete extraction.
Something to the effect of breaking the static line while still peeling off the shrivel flap, and breaking it before line stretch has occurred. Maybe someone else has heard of this, as I think some research has been done on proper length of static lines.
Another way to say what I am trying to explain would be how you can break an 80 lb break cord with a 10 lb weight. If the weight is just hanging there, no problems. But if you give the weight about 10 feet in free fall, then there is enough extra G-force in stopping the weight to exceed the rope's 80 lb capacity.

There is a rating for climbing ropes out there for something like this, with the max fall rating being 2, meaning you had climbed above the rope anchor the max amount before falling. The 2 refers to twice the length of rope that you fall before it becomes taught. A rating of 1 would be you climb up to the anchor point, and fall the complete length of the rope. This is somewhat a tangent to the discussion, but I feel it plays some role in how much slack you can fall through on a static line.

Maybe I am just rambling again. Anyways, good luck Faber :) .


Thomas

[CrazyThomas]

Maybe this is a more helpful response. Check this post in the technical archive. It has some info about static line lengths and accessories.

SL Lengths (http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21476)


Thomas

[Faber]

he he,im not running far and as the objecty aint high i wont need much hikiing/climbing to get there ;)

soon as i find a madress some were ill try to make some launches to see how far i go by which distances..

thanks for the help and good luck..

[base570]

We shot it with a lazer range finder and it was almost 400 feet from the top to the bottom. We had to prime the shrival flap of my friends rig that Freefell the thing. He got a pretty good run at it about 6 good steps and kicked off hard. He fell past the first ledge and oppened out in front of the second ledge.

Jason,
Pilot chutes are only about $60 dollars, I change them out pretty regular. Whats $60 for a good time


I agree that $60 is nothing to pay for a BASE jump/good time, that is not my point. My point is the snag potential on the way over the edge and the possible cause of an off heading opening. One way to maybe help this would be to securely tie the PCA'er off to a tree or something and an ample lenght of rope so he could be closer to the edge, therefore create a cleaner path for the PC to travel. The guy that freefell it had damage to his PC didn't he? Didn't it catch the ledge and rip it? This could have been disasterous. I truly believe he was extremely lucky to walk out of there alive.
I looked at this site many years ago and decided the risk to reward was too unbalanced to attempt it. I still think it's pretty dicey and probably would not jump it.
Have you thought about d-bagging it? Or how about a running D-bag... has anyone done any of those? It would at least keep the PC and bridle out of the picture. Just a thought???? Although I can see a large potential for an off heading opening if the holder isn't spot on :(

cya,
Jason
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[John Hayes]

I agree that $60 is nothing to pay for a BASE jump/good time, that is not my point. My point is the snag potential on the way over the edge and the possible cause of an off heading opening. One way to maybe help this would be to securely tie the PCA'er off to a tree or something and an ample lenght of rope so he could be closer to the edge, therefore create a cleaner path for the PC to travel. The guy that freefell it had damage to his PC didn't he? Didn't it catch the ledge and rip it? This could have been disasterous. I truly believe he was extremely lucky to walk out of there alive.
I looked at this site many years ago and decided the risk to reward was too unbalanced to attempt it. I still think it's pretty dicey and probably would not jump it.
Have you thought about d-bagging it? Or how about a running D-bag... has anyone done any of those? It would at least keep the PC and bridle out of the picture. Just a thought???? Although I can see a large potential for an off heading opening if the holder isn't spot on :(

cya,
Jason
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No the guy that Free fell the quarry went hand held. I have every jump there by us on video. And I have'nt heard of anyone else going there accept you guys.
I agree with your other coments though. It is a sketchy jump!

[base570]

I meant the second ledge down not the first edge where the other PC's were dragging. I thought it caught as the canopy was opening 150ft down. Maybe I'm mistaken and heard wrong. I've seen the video but couldn't tell from it.
John, why the remark at the end? Can I not ask questions about this site and how the jumps were made and the outcome? I'm merely trying to gain more knowledge from you, since you and your friends have jumped it more than anyone else. Maybe it is less risky than I thought... maybe not. Can't locals share info without getting defensive? Maybe if we work together we can find a safer solution for this jump that has not been explored yet. Or, we can continue to reinvent the wheel.....

Jason
570

[John Hayes]

What comment are you talking about? All I said is that there wasn't a torn pilot chute on any of our jumps there and that I didn't know of anyone else that had been there but you guys. And I completly agreed with your prior post about how scetchy the sight is.

[matt]

I meant the second ledge down not the first edge where the other PC's were dragging. I thought it caught as the canopy was opening 150ft down. Maybe I'm mistaken and heard wrong. I've seen the video but couldn't tell from it.
John, why the remark at the end? Can I not ask questions about this site and how the jumps were made and the outcome? I'm merely trying to gain more knowledge from you, since you and your friends have jumped it more than anyone else. Maybe it is less risky than I thought... maybe not. Can't locals share info without getting defensive? Maybe if we work together we can find a safer solution for this jump that has not been explored yet. Or, we can continue to reinvent the wheel.....

Jason
570

No PCs drug on the ledge. The static line PC on the top ledge slid of the top. No problems with any of them. You didn't jump it, that's cool man. I did jump it with John, my wife, two others, and it wasn't any problem, not to say the risk wasn't there. Maybe homeboy knew what he was doing. John agreed with you.
You can most definitely ask questions and if you want we can go jump this thing in the summer. I for one really want to jump it again and we can also jump the "S" again even though it is a hell of a walk out of it.

[base570]

Misunderstanding on the above post :o I talked to John and it's all good... funny :D
I don't think I'll jump that site unless I could have a little better odds. I have a few ideas, but nothing really to concrete yet. There is another site similar to that one that was looked at a couple of years ago and looked better, but still sketchy. It might need to be looked at again. As far as the bridge goes, I think I'll pass on that too, unless I can borrow your gear!! Is that the 2nd tallest? I remember looking forever for a road to the bottom of that thing but never found it. Did you get you gear down? Any injuries?

later
Jason
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[matt]

Misunderstanding on the above post :o I talked to John and it's all good... funny :D
I don't think I'll jump that site unless I could have a little better odds. I have a few ideas, but nothing really to concrete yet. There is another site similar to that one that was looked at a couple of years ago and looked better, but still sketchy. It might need to be looked at again. As far as the bridge goes, I think I'll pass on that too, unless I can borrow your gear!! Is that the 2nd tallest? I remember looking forever for a road to the bottom of that thing but never found it. Did you get you gear down? Any injuries?

later
Jason
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There is no road close to it except for the one we jumped off of. You are free to use my gear but it's ragged out from Lauterbrunnen. That bridge is low and in no way the second highest to anything. No one was hurt and I got my gear down fine with no tears or anything.

[base570]

There is no road close to it except for the one we jumped off of. You are free to use my gear but it's ragged out from Lauterbrunnen. That bridge is low and in no way the second highest to anything. No one was hurt and I got my gear down fine with no tears or anything.

Is the bridge in our state? It looks like the second tallest bridge in the state, the first being not that tall either at 210ft. That one, I thought, was around 175ft or so.... maybe it's a different one though.
What do you consider ragged out? Tons of jumps or a bunch of unrepaired holes and rips or something else? How did it get ragged out in LB? All the LZ's that I landed in while I was there were nice and open.
How long of an extraction process was it to get the gear out of the trees? Did you need any special equipment? Glad you and your gear came out unscathed, it looked like you would have had some canopy damage at least.

cya
Jason
570

[matt]

Is the bridge in our state? It looks like the second tallest bridge in the state, the first being not that tall either at 210ft. That one, I thought, was around 175ft or so.... maybe it's a different one though.
What do you consider ragged out? Tons of jumps or a bunch of unrepaired holes and rips or something else? How did it get ragged out in LB? All the LZ's that I landed in while I was there were nice and open.
How long of an extraction process was it to get the gear out of the trees? Did you need any special equipment? Glad you and your gear came out unscathed, it looked like you would have had some canopy damage at least.

cya
Jason
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Ragged out means cut off me by Air Glacier. That is the greatest thirty Swiss Franc I ever spent. You are right that the landing areas are very nice and very open. Well as long as you don't land in the high grass. I could tell ya what happened so maybe the NC guys could plan for another get together in the summer when I am around.
That object was around 175' to the bottom but we turned higher to land on the side. It took us about a half an hour to get the canopies out and I swear that there wasn't any damage. It surprised me too man. John actually jsut had his stuff looked over by BR and Morpheus and got a clean bill of health.

[Tom Aiello]

It took us about a half an hour to get the canopies out and I swear that there wasn't any damage. It surprised me too man. John actually jsut had his stuff looked over by BR and Morpheus and got a clean bill of health.

I once saw a canopy bow tie around a guy wire and slide down it for several hundred feet without taking any damage.

I'm continually stunned by the major things that seem to do no damage--and the minor looking things that result in huge gear (and/or personal) damage.