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guest
January 2nd, 2000, 07:48 PM
................and the self-evaluation process. I have made some observations in the last few months. After careful consideration of my observations, coupled with high quality digital video of many jumps, I have a few opinions I would like to put up for discussion. During canopy openings in any appreciable amount of wind I have noticed that as long as the lines are in order and straight, the pack job does not have nearly as great an effect on the direction or quality of the opening as the wind. On every occasion where there was more than a 90 degree off heading opening, wind seemed to be the main controlling factor. All changes in heading occurred immediately after the canopy left the container and before line stretch at the locking stow. Consider that this is the time of initial pressurization and that the canopy is particularly susceptible to wind-induced turn. My conclusion to this is that since we do not, at this time have a gear related solution to this, we will always have wind-induced off -heading openings. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE OFF-HEADING OPENINGS ! Your canopy is at some point going to open at 180 degrees and you will need to turn it before you hit the wall. Let's discuss the factors involved in turning the canopy. My observations and personal experience with several wind-induced off heading openings has been that a lightly wing-loaded canopy with anywhere near a 180 and wind on the tail can not turn effectively and consistently with riser input only. Only the toggles and, if 180, the proper direction of turn (into the wind) will work. If the jumper wastes time in an attempt to turn the canopy with the risers, then the toggles are not an option and the jumper WILL STRIKE THE WALL if there is any wind on the tail. And now a brief discussion of wind and rotors is in order: whenever you have wind you are going to have rotors created by the objects that you are jumping from. There are many rock fingers in Moab and the bottoms of the canyons are filled with talus. Wind on rocks creates rotors and the slope of the talus coupled with the thermal effects cause the winds to rise at angles to the rocks. If the wind is coming from your left and you have as much as a 20 left, the canopy will have a tendency to turn into the wind. If the wind that induced this left turn is part of a rotor, the canopy will most likely turn left to 180 or more. At this point, if there is also laminar (straight) wind from behind, you will be pinned against the wall and any further attempt to turn with risers will result in a turn accompanied by a collapse of the side now facing the wall and the jumper hitting the wall again and again. It is therefore my opinion that in even light wind, immediate toggle input is indicated. Turn into the wind by burying the toggle on the side you want to turn towards and slowly release the opposite toggle until the turn is completing. Then confront the wind with toggles full up and front risers pulled down if necessary (usually not).

Speaking of toggles. I have seen several ideas and designs. I feel that all the ones I have seen are basically OK if the person is clued in on how to stow them properly. I saw one person who didn't know how to stow their toggles blame someone else when they lost both toggles on opening and almost had a serious problem. My advice to everyone is to learn as much as you can about your equipment. It's there to save your life. This is not a game and this is not the drop zone.

Now some advise for low timers and their instructors. More ground school please. If you want to BASE jump, buy your own gear and don't jump junk. . Learn your gear. Talk to the manufacturers. Read the manuals. Do not depend on others. They can't hold your hand in freefall. This is not AFF ! When you jump, you are alone. You must be SURE that you can deal with anything that happens after opening. Your accuracy needs to be top notch.

Let's discuss the exit. Body position is very important at opening. You need to do everything possible to get a good launch. Run if you can. It's not so important what position you use as long as you are getting yourself as far as possible away from the wall. There is great benefit in getting a clean exit and in getting as far away from the rock as possible. That makes it more likely that you will have an on-heading opening and that if you don't, you'll be a little farther away from the wall and have more time to turn away. Taking the longest possible delay (within reason) has multiple benefits. It gets you farther away; it increases your speed, which makes for better openings with less potential for wind-induced off-heading openings. And it's more fun. Remember, rocks are usually very unforgiving.

Concerning landing; if possible, check out the landing area. Put a wind drift indicator out. Check for rocks. Check for alternate landing areas closer to exit in case of a short glide cause by problems or delays. Let a more experienced jumper go first and give you some help on a radio if possible. Learn from other people's mishaps and avoid having your own if possible. New BASE jumpers should realize that YOU ARE NOT AT THE DROP ZONE. You are in hostile territory and unless you are sure of your landing area and your skills, you will be considerably more likely to get hurt. Almost all the injuries I have seen in Moab are the result of a poorly planned or poorly executed landing. Full body armor is in order unless you are really sure of your landings. And even then, lineovers, off-heading openings and other things will occur and put you into a bad landing area occasionally. Plan for the worst. Learn to think under canopy and do the smart thing without delay. Build your canopy skills by skydiving your BASE canopy, even if you have to buy a separate TSO'ed container to use your BASE canopy at the local DZ. Talk to hang glider pilots and paraglider pilots to learn about wind and rotors. Read all you can about hang gliding and paragliding from cliffs and in wind. These groups have been doing their thing a long time and have learned a lot; most of it the hard way with injuries and fatalities. I would like to close by reminding everyone to ask yourself before every jump "am I ready for this site in these conditions?" Are you in control of your destiny? If you are not sure about a jump, don't jump. Go somewhere safe and easy until you get better. Think for yourself. Think about the details.

STAY ALIVE - DON'T GET HURT.

Earl Redfern

imported_mknutson
January 2nd, 2000, 10:25 PM
http://www.baselogic.com/ibf/license.html

guest
January 3rd, 2000, 11:23 PM
Mick, I am sorry but I strongly disagree with any type of licensing program. I will never get a license to BASE jump. I have spoken to quite a few jumpers on this issue and they think it is a joke that you are even mentioning it. By pressing this ridiculous licensing thing, you will divide the BASE community in a very different way. A way in which you will face strong opposition from people like me, who have been solidly on your side. BASE jumpers are not the licensing type. You'll only get the woosies and the beginners to join your new "ranks". So forget it and let's start dealing with our problems like a family instead of creating our own bureaucracy. Hell, Mick, It was like pulling Molasses in December just reading your proposal.

I think that education and training are definitely in order, perhaps even being shunned and/or criticized by our fellow jumpers if we do stupid things. Just like rock climbing, a natural result of our maturity as an organization will be a decrease in serious accidents in proportion to the number of people actively participating in the sport. However, this will be greatly overshadowed by the number of serious accidents overall increasing as dramatically as our numbers do. Quite simply, a heck of a lot more people are getting into this sport. The sheer numbers will help to keep sites open on Government land. They will most assuredly refuse to be regulated by licensing. Therefore, the only option available to us is to teach anyone who wants to BASE jump very carefully. People who are learning to jump should be able to benefit from the teachings of many "great masters" instead of just one. Cumulatively, the people here are all the teachers. The ones with lots of jumps and the ones who are starting who have good or bad experiences to share. This body of information is readily available to anyone who wants it. Let's talk more here about the basic, unwritten rules that one doesn't have to follow but would be prudent to. Mick, you are right when you say, "this is not a game". The REAPER is standing by and waiting for you to make a split-second error. This is not a crap shoot. This is one of the fastest, most dangerous sports in the world. It requires SKILL, EXPERIENCE AND CONFIDENCE. It is not like Russian Roulette, it is like flying an acrobatic airplane, mixed-gas diving in cave systems, hang gliding, paragliding, mountaineering and ice climbing. One starts slowly and takes years to develop the skills to advance. If you short-cut or skip the preliminaries in any of these other sports, you'll most likely get killed immediately. However, anyone can jump from a rock. If you have good gear and training, everything will probably work OK for a few jumps; then a lousy exit, close to the wall brings on a 180 and /or a line-over and you have graduated to the "real world" faster than you can say "RUT-RO-O-O !!! Oh, and if there is a little wind on your butt, then what? QUICK - QUICK - QUICK - WHAT WILL YOU DO ? DID YOU LIVE, OR NOT ? It's up to you and only you. You are alone when you exit. No one else can help you then. There is no damned umbilical cord to your instructor, your boyfriend or girlfriend, your mother's ##### or anything or anyone else. IT'S JUST YOU ! So you make the decisions and choices. iF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND AND DECIDE NOT TO JUMP, DON'T LET ANYONE ELSE AFFECT YOUR DECISION. Get the picture? You must be able to step up to the exit point, look at the landing area and say to yourself,"I can do this jump. The present conditions are safe for me. I know my gear is PERFECT. I can handle any type of canopy and/or wind problem. I can make the landing area and land without injury". If you have a doubt in any area, do not jump. One must learn these types of sports slowly and carefully. Jumping with skill and confidence in one's ability to handle a particular jump make sense. Throwing yourself to the mercy of gravity without the necessary knowledge and skill is for Lemmings, not people.

Earl

imported_mknutson
January 4th, 2000, 11:53 AM
Your views are the same as mine. But the students are blindly listening to instructors with little or no knoledge of the sport just to stroke their ego.

How do you propose to put the community into a mindset forcing them to learn the skills they need before they go out to Moab or wherever?

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The mentality I see today is theis; I think base jumping is cool, so I want to jump. I don't have money or time to go skydiving! Wow, that guy is very cool because he has 15 base jumps. Man, he can teach me everything I need to know! He must, he has lots of experience.

For the instructor (that is a joke!), He is thinking; Man am I cool. I got 15 base jump http://www.baselogic.com/forum/images/wink.gif This guy over here want to learn how to jump and I would be the coolest fuckin dude around cause everyone would know I not only jump, I can teach jumpin too. I am gonna take this guy ta jump. Just put a pilot chute in hand and say, throw it away in 3 seconds. IT BE ALRIGHT!
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How do you change this? How do you change the mindset of unitentional idiot? Ones that are going to hurt and kill the flood of new jumpers, without even knowing it?
Darwin does work for a lengthy career in base jumping. But what about the clueless people, children, high school students, Mtv fans and whatever else; that think it is something they must try?

Darwin will still work, but it is WRONG! These people are getting the impression that they are at a safe distance from injury!

Think about that!

guest
January 4th, 2000, 01:26 PM
Mr. Redfern has some great sermons for us all, but I have some questions - not accusations, just question, for him:

We already know she only had 4 jumps before the trip. How about skydives? Other intense sports or endeavors? What prepared her for these difficult situations?

Who was responsible for her training? Was there any demonstration of her knowledge/skills beforehand? Or just hope that the worst wouldn't happen and if it did, things would just turn out alright?

How much training did she really get? By whom? Was there a genuine interest in this girl's knowledge and safety and advancement in the sport, or was it more of a self-aggrandizing pussie chase?

guest
January 4th, 2000, 02:26 PM
Hi Mick,

I received this just yesterday at BR (only a single example of many) . . . and I've altered his name.

"Hello,
My name is Michael, I am 15 years old and I am requesting some information on the "Reactor" Parachute. You mention there are several sizes. I weigh 113 pounds and I need to know the size of parachute that I need according to my weight. Another piece of info is what is the distance in vertical feet that it takes for the chute to fully deploy and open from free-fall to full opening of the chute. My last request is the distance in vertical feet I will need to safely land from the moment the chute opens to the moment I would touch the ground the distance I need to slow down to a safe speed. If you could give me these two figures I could give myself a better estimate on the distance of free-fall I can achieve. It would be greatly appreciated if you could give me these pieces of info in the form of an E-mail.

Thank you very much.
Michael

Bless his heart! And he's asking good questions too!

But what to do? Ignore him? Tell him he needs 150 skydives? Tell him we don't sell to minors? Tell him he needs . . . a license!

Mick you said:

"The mentality I see today is the; I think base jumping is cool, so I want to jump. I don't have money or time to go skydiving! Wow, that guy is very cool because he has 15 base jumps. Man, he can teach me everything I need to know! He must, he has lots of experience."

That's not the way things are today, that's the way things *have always been.* We and the rest of the BASE industry train only a small percentage of the newest jumpers. The rest are educated in the field. And while we fully realize the value of formalized training the fact is most still do learn BASE jumping the more traditional way.

And you know what?

It works.

It works when you consider the amount and circumstances of most BASE fatalities seem to have little to do with experience, number of jumps, time in sport, time in grade, how sober you are, what gear you have, or what the wind's doing.

It's more like fighter pilots or policemen, where every once in a while someone just gets selected.

I can really only recall two or three jumps, that ended in fatalities, where the cause can be laid on a total disregard for all the BASE rules.

Most BASE jumpers who die, do so while experienced and rather current.

It scares me to think that issuing licenses, for what is really an intangible item (the baseline
skill in BASE jumping is *judgment*) that may provide an artificial support system (i.e., demo safety seemed far better before the pro rating came into effect).

Another thing is someone will have to counter sign that license, someone will have to say, the way this person is going about the sport is the right way. I'm not sure any of us are in a position to do that.

BASE jumping, for all hoopla, is simply taking one's life and laying it all on string, rag and savvy. And rating a site is like rating a woman. Depending on conditions, she could be a simple 3.0, but on a bad day she’s a full blown 7.5.

So it's not so much a case of getting the word out to the beginners or making them jump through bureaucratic hoops. We must make the experienced jumpers, the ones doing the training, aware that BASE jumping is a certified life taker, and their students should balance that fact against future jumping decisions.

The biggest danger in BASE jumping is what you think you know. When I had my accident, what slowed my jumping after that is the simple fact I couldn’t convince myself I could keep myself out of the same situation again. I realized, the hard way, how much I didn’t know.

And after almost twenty years we can put what we really know about BASE jumping for certain in a single tail pocket. If you don't believe that, try to come up with something like "Ten Ironclad Rules for BASE Jumping" What will happen is on almost every rule, you will find an arguable point or two.

The late Alf Humpries once asked, "Why am I doing this? I have a wife and a family to think about."

The answer he got from our group that day, "Well yes, but yesterday you had four BASE jumps and today you have five."

And we all laughed.

Well, I wish now we'd sent Al back to his wife and kiddies. And I'm not laughing now. . .

Nick_BR

guest
January 4th, 2000, 08:17 PM
Thanks for the compliment about the sermans. I assure you, I am trying to help, but about half of the young "whippersnappers" don't listen anyway. So, they'll learn the hard way. That's how I learned to do a few things and I have the x-rays to prove it. I have been in the same position that Mari's instructor is in. I was lucky. No one got hurt too bad or killed. Gardner was one of my students in the old days of BASE. We jumped buildings on Saturday at mid-day with skydiving rigs. We progressed with the sport as far as equipment is concerned. We have all made mistakes. Accusations serve no purpose here. Only the lessons we learn. I have all the answers to your questions but for the sake of friendship and in the interest of progress and harmony, I will not speak them.

With sincere respect,

Earl Redfern

guest
January 4th, 2000, 10:59 PM
I was wondering if I had one of these BASE licenses and did an illegal jump would my license be pulled buy the governing body?????
Would I only be able to jump legal sites????
There are not alot of them in the USA or Canada.
Would I then have to travel abroad to BASE, to keep my license???
Never stop learning and common sense rules!!!
BSBD
Glenn

guest
January 4th, 2000, 11:00 PM
Way to GO NICK !! One's most greatest achievement in life is selflessness. I'll bet Al's wife and kids weren't laughing either.