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[Craig]

Good question. I think it is because the forums at dropzone.com are slightly more usable. I don't think people are taking the time (myself included, I'm sorry to say) to suggest improvements to Mick. For example, when you re-enter a thread, it doesn't take you to the first new entry that you haven't read. I guess with BASE jumpers who still skydive, it's a one-stop shop so they hang around there. I think also that usage of these boards changed after some control was applied (what was it? be registered to post?). Also, I don't think the BASE forum on dropzone.com is being moderated within its remit (sorry Tom) in that it is for people wanting to start jumping. People seem to be treating it as a replacement for this forum.

Let's get behind Mick and help him make this the premier BASE forum!

[imported_Mac]

I find myself posting at DZ dot com as it recently does have more jumpers regularly posting....... I did suggest in a thread there that Blinc should be more used as its more "pure" but again when Mick replied to me "i need suggestions to make this work" - I just did not get off my fat lazyboy ass and think about why people started to go there rather than here...........

>Let's get behind Mick and help him make this the premier BASE
>forum!

I second that........... keep it pure..........

Michael

:P

Would it be cheeky to post on dz dot com this very same suggestion?? hehehe :P :P

[base428]

I know Mick has put his heart and soul into Blinc and I will support him wherever possible.

I wish we didn't have to jump back and forth between the two. Why not ask Mick to make it more usable in agreement that we'll all concentrate on posting only to Blinc? Blinc was the first BASE forum!

Thanks Mick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

------------
Jason Bell (BASE428)
Email: jbell@vertical-visions.com
Web: www.vertical-visions.com or www.bridgeday.info

[Faber]

I do suport Mick here.
But as said before i see dz.com as softBASE/newbies and Blinc as Hardcore/experienced jumpers.Most time i has a tecnical Q i go here.But i do also rember just aprox 1-1,5 year ago behind were there were alot of fighting here,and i as newbie didnt/dont want to be apart of thouse fights.

I do belive that Mick is doing in all his power to make this place the best place,but if we(my self included) dont suport him,and works whith him,then it wont succseed.

I do apriciate that Tom moderates the forum at dz.com which i think is a good idea.And i think its sad that people see it as an enemy to Blinc

The talk as been here if which forum is the best.And i dont think any would agume against that Blinc has the best and biggest info database on the net.

Nothing could wip off good old Blinc.If you dont like dz.com,then just dont go there,as theres no info there you cant get from here aswell...

Just my .25dkr

[imported_Tom Aiello]

>I don't think the BASE forum on dropzone.com is being moderated within its remit (sorry Tom)

No apology necessary. Believe me, if I could find a way to move technical discussions between experienced jumpers over here, I would. Unfortunately, I can only move them to other DZ.com forums, which wouldn't really be helpful. That leaves me with the options of just deleting them (which seems dreadfully silly and counterproductive), or posting "you might want to ask on BLiNC" type posts (which I have done, and continue to do), or crossposting links here and other places (which I have also done and continue to do).

Any suggestions on other paths I could take would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@mac.com

[imported_Tom Aiello]

I know I've said this on numerous other occasions, but I'll say it again here while we're on the topic.

The single most valuable internet resource for BASE jumping ever created was the BLiNC Technical Archive, composed of all the technical posts pulled out of the regular BASE board archives.

I am extremely sad that this technical archive has disappeared. I thought that creating it was the best thing ever done for BASE on the internet. I really think it ought to be brought back.

--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@mac.com

[imported_mknutson]

To each of the persons replying here, and ones that don't; I am not one to flack people for not helping me, but Im not going to stop. But, I am fixed on just BASE. Not skydiving.

So, this is a place where you have a say in how things work, but there are trade-offs. dz.com uses one kind of forum, I use another. So the functionality is different. There are items that I feel are better than the other, but understandably, without someone taking 20 seconds out of their time to tell me what they don't like, I have no way of knowing.

Maybe it is this....
People feel that they are always bitching if they only tell me bad things about BLiNC. Well, here is my stance.

When to bitch: EVERY SINGLE DAY IF NEEDED!!!!!
I would rather hear about your compaints, than _NOT_ hear about them until months later. That is just not good for me or anyone!

When to complement: At BD, the exit point, or at the pub! After you are happy that I fixed a particular issue you had, then say so.

But.... without the bad, I can't fix everything that could be wrong with BLiNC.

After my 10th year here, I am still wanting this to be the best BASE Jumping place for the base jumpers.

[imported_mknutson]

The technical archive had not disapeared, it has moved to be parallell with the base board.

I also need help with pulling articles out. I am just so overwelmed with work, that moving articles is just too much work.

BTW, if the new location of the technical forum is not right, then I can fix it if you have a suggestion... (move it back?)

[Bryan]

Through BLiNC I found BR, CR, Vertigo and other manufatcturers. I learned who the original Bridge Day organizers where. I learned about the CJAA and where Moab is. The flames and sometimes harsh comments showed me that BASE is serious and stupid people are not tolerated. I learned that not many people like Robin Heide (spelling?) I could go on more but basically BliNC has been my one stop, dysfuntctional, psychotic, Cyber-BASE stop. Loyal for life.

[zennie]

>I also need help with pulling articles out. I am just so
>overwelmed with work, that moving articles is just too much
>work.

Interestingly enough, I went through the archives and saved everything... every single thread... to my hard drive. My intention was to go through them and sort of come up with a "Best Of" set for my own personal reference. Basically anything that was technical, historical or otherwise substantive. There's a lot there that never made the technical archives.

I'd be more than happy to let you know what I came up with when I finish going through them. If you think that would be useful, drop me an email.

[imported_mknutson]

That would be awsome!
If you would share it with BLiNC, I would appreciate it!

[imported_mknutson]

Keep yourself safe, as I plan to keep BLiNC alive for along timne to come, and words of encouragement like this help motivate me to keep it movong forward.

The only thing I don't like, is hearing about accidents. But that comes with the job. But if I can help people avoid those accidents, then that issue is also overcome for me.

[imported_mknutson]

You tell me what to fix, and I will do everything in my power to correct it ASAP!

[imported_Tom Aiello]

I'll volunteer to help with sorting and reading that stuff.

Maybe we can make sets: historical, technical, whatever else, and pull out the good threads, then save them as articles (rather than as threads).

It might also be interesting to create "by poster" sets for the departed, as a sort of memorial. It'd be neat to be able to call up all of Dwain's or Lukas' posts, for example.

--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@mac.com

[Thomas2]

Mick,
I have been a bad poster on this board before. I am sorry for that. Flame wars are not fun, but they happen. I will try not to have flame wars anymore. Things are said, and so be it. I will not post my negative stupid diatribes that I have posted before.
I used to think it was "cool" to engage in flame wars. Now I know that it is counter-productive. Mick, I am sorry I scorched your site and talked so much ####.
This was and is a great place for BASE jumpers to come together and talk. This is not meant to be an "accusations" board, but more of a discussion board.
I am sorry to everyone I have pissed off. I will not flame on here again. It may be hard, but I will try my best.
I wish the BASE community could band together again, (even if it is to HATE Thomas), and collectively share ideas.
How can we be safer? What are the big problems coming up in today's BASE world (other than being Thomas------humor attempt..HAH HAH).
Let's all get back together here and be honest.
Things happen, and people get hurt and die. But let's share our KNOWLEDGE and help each other be safer.
And no, this isn't a joke.
(Rodney King) Can't we all just get along? (/Rodney King)

Peace,
Thomas :-) :-)

[imported_Mac]

>After my 10th year here, I am still wanting this to be the
>best BASE Jumping place for the base jumpers.

Always has and always will be............ without BLiNC my journey to have BASE find me would have been so much more difficult.............

....... I thought the idea of DeeZd dot com was for people looking at an introduction into the sport but ultimately it would push people toward looking at BLiNC............... I think the idea was lost along the way and as jumpers were also posting to skydive forums it was easier to stay on one forum to kick around with other jumpers............

I have been told by TA to stop banter on DZ.com between myself and other jumpers as used to happen on BLiNC, as this is not the vibe of the forum, but this seems not to be consistent - I guess Tom does not have time to police 24/7 and check all posts, but I think if this was imposed more strictly and thus keeping the DZ forum as it was first intended (for skydivers to use to enquire about the sport) - more jumpers would hang out at BLiNC.......... I dont think BASE should be taken to the skydiver, the skydiver should seek out BASE............

Mick has obviously devoted alot of time, effort and money for this priceless service - bet we would all moan if one day he decided "phuqk it whats the phuqking point" - lets get it lively!!............... I dont even skydive anymore but have ended up hanging at a skydive forum as that where everyone else does...................... keep BASE to BLiNC and airplanes to the DZ.................

Just my 2,000,000 1940's deutsmarks worth.............

Michael
Mac
BASE 813

:7

[BASE_689]

>Why are BASE jumpers posting on DZ.com?
Good question. Good question indeed. In my case there is NOT a reject to BLINC, not at all. But just because lot of "people" post on DZ.com, from time to time I partecipate to the discussions.
It is also true that any serious post and any serious enquiry about BASE stuff (equipment, techniques, whatever...) of mine, has been posted here on BLINC.
True is also that on DZ.com post lot of "people", a relatively small percentage of them being "current" BASE jumpers, a big percentage being skydivers, going from 4 to 3000 skydives, that ask/post/argue about strange (=stupid, intended with no offense, for example, a 4 skydives wonder asking and arguing about building up a fixed object from scratch for BASE jumping?!?!?!?!?) arguments, and so, the more "people" post on DZ.com, the more threads are circulating, the more possibility that a current bASE joins the discussion.
But it is also true that if we (=current bASE jumpers) do not give a turn to this, more and more people will post on DZ. com and less and less people will post on BLINC: this trend is not good for our sport (I think we must discuss about serious stuff, equipment, techniques, whatever whose knowledge can save our @ss), and, second, it is not fair to Mick, who has put into this web site lot of energies.
So, let us (=current BASE jumpers) commit ourselves to post more here on BLINC and less on DZ.com.
Not that DZ.com has anything bad, not at all, it is a very nice site, but let us keep it mainly to skydivers enquiring once in a while about BASE jumping ;)
How true is #813's sentence: "I dont think BASE should be taken to the skydiver, the skydiver should seek out BASE... …JUST IN CASE…"
Just my 0.02€


Stay safe out there
Blue Skies and Soft Walls
BASE #689 :D
e-mail: base_689@yahoo.com

[Tree]

I think that an all out return to Blinc is where its at. Mick's been running this thing for years, and I've gotten tons out of it. I never liked the idea of a BASE forum on DZ.com, and it has pretty much performed as expected: A bunch of rec.skydivers (now on DZ.com) who blather on incessantly about anything they can come up with to type about. Mostly there are people who answer every single post, whether on not they have a clue. I would love to see all of us rally behind Mick and the BB, and leave DZ.com for skydivers.

Bring it on home!

Tree

[imported_Mac]

Well it seems from the announcements that the BB will be down sometime over the next couple of days as Mick is busting a gut moving BLiNC to a new server............ (is this correct??)

Its only right that when back online that the increase in use is notable and that Mick can see that his hard work and dedication in supplying the jumpers of the world a place to meet each other and share information is appreciated and needed.................

Keep it pure

Michael
Mac
BASE 813

[zennie]

>Maybe we can make sets: historical, technical, whatever
>else, and pull out the good threads, then save them as
>articles (rather than as threads).

Maybe have a "Ted's Best Of" page and a "Tom's Best Of" page that has a set of links to the threads of interest. Maybe I could do the historical and Tom could do the technical? Just thinking out loud.

For example, one of the OLD threads that I found really amusing was the "What Happened To The BASE Numbers?" threads and the drama that ensued. I'm in the middle of it now and it's a cliffhanger of sorts for me to find out how it eventually got handed over to Rick & Joy.

>It might also be interesting to create "by poster" sets for
>the departed, as a sort of memorial. It'd be neat to be able
>to call up all of Dwain's or Lukas' posts, for example.

I agree. This is an excellent idea. The other regular poster that comes to mind is Earl.

[imported_mknutson]

Yes this is correct.
I have outgrown my PIII-850 with 256MB-Ram.
Now, I have a new toy (but I can't live without it!)

The new box is going to scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With dual 2.0Ghtz cpu's and a GIG of ram, with 3 SCSII hard drives. There should be a huge improvement.

I am also hiring a college intern to help with some of the HTML changes and bugs. So I should also be able to get some of the annoying things fixed asap.

I thank everyone for their support displayed in this thread!

BTW, I have _NOTHING_ against DZ.com, and certainly nothing against Tom as he has been a great help/supporter over the years. At the end of the day, I just want to see people alive, and in 1 piece. If that means going to another forum, then you make the choice, I just hate hearing about the injuries and deaths. If that menas you visit BLiNC more, that is also great. If there are things you don't like, then tell me!

[david]

>The new box is going to scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>With dual 2.0Ghtz cpu's and a GIG of ram, with 3 SCSII hard
>drives. There should be a huge improvement.

Aaaaaaaaa, Is that a one or two pin rig? :P

[imported_mknutson]

It's a dual 2-pin rig model :-)

[Peteb]

Why are BASE jumpers posting on DZ.com?
What is the sense in it if we already have Blinc?
I'd really appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to point out the advantages of using another forum, ie, DZ.com.
Thanks,
Pete

[imported_Tom Aiello]

>I'd really appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to point out the advantages of using another forum, ie, DZ.com.

Lately, it seems that one of the advantages is that the DZ.com forum rules keep flamefests like these:

http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=15328&mesg_id=15328&page=

http://www.blincmagazine.com/forum/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=7&topic_id=15273&mesg_id=15273&page=

off their forums.

Just a thought.

--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@mac.com