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space
April 19th, 2002, 11:00 AM
In this order.

1. Rigging the BASE rig,
2. Advanced tracking,
3. Advanced canopy control including accuracy landings,
4. Weather conditions (wind reading),
5. Exit techniques (normally from a balloon).
6. Ethics peppered throughout.

No other priortization IMHO of the above makes sense. But I can learn,
Does anyone have a better priortization?
There are many things in the above list that one can achieve before they even ask for instruction.
kickback,
Take care,
space

460
April 19th, 2002, 11:05 AM
Not commenting about ordering, but,

jumping from a hot air balloon. can you get a real BASE exit from one? I had the good fortune once of getting a balloon pilot to let me out from 1000' with a BASE rig. He insisted I not kick, but instead fall, so as not to cause the gondola to rock heavily.

comments?

guest
April 19th, 2002, 11:17 AM
You gotta exit before you track, right?

Skypuppy
April 19th, 2002, 02:17 PM
Most of the E's and B's I see around here are too low for tracking from. I would place canopy awareness and control ahead of tracking - but I'm not from Europe or the West Coast....

And I;ve already had one object strike.

Skypuppy BASE92:+

guest
April 19th, 2002, 02:27 PM
1. How to get by on zero sleep and keep your job.
2. How to open a bottle of beer without opener.
3. How to laugh about the fact that you have driven for the last three or more trips.
4. How to be scared and not look it.
5. How to convince your girlfriend it is healthy for you to base jump.

guest
April 19th, 2002, 03:47 PM
is this training more specific for big walls?

wind reading? for cliffs, can be an essential must learned art. for buildings, just jump in light winds. for antennas and bridges, it's obvious.

if it is for big walls, i suppose it must be crucial to emphasize it's not a skydive, and that launch skills and tracking are a must. imho, is it realistic to expect first timers to track before 8 seconds of freefall?

my prioritization in training people on simple no track jumps using an ideal object, 1000' antennas in perfect winds, has been 1. canopy control 2. launch style (making everybody jump into a pool even if it's winter) 3. body form and relaxation technique in freefall. 4. holding their can of beer properly on exit.

what's you point space?

guest
April 19th, 2002, 03:51 PM
New Order Space

1 - rigging - safe gear before you start
2 -weather - common sense that if conditions are not right, no go.

3 - exit -
4 - advanced canopy control, with emphasis on observing and reacting to off-heading openings, then landings.
5 - tracking - you will probably only need this once you have a bit more experience.

guest
May 15th, 2002, 09:54 PM
Hello,

If your next student is like me a few years ago.....start with no 6. !

6. Ethics peppered throughout

take care
psycho

:P

guest
May 16th, 2002, 03:36 AM
What happens if your student experiment this :

Off heading oppening
Line over
Twist line
Premature opening in a tower
unestable exit

????

346
May 16th, 2002, 05:10 AM
I like to think of it broken into three phases: Ground time, Air time, Object time

Ground time would include: Rigging, Exit technique discussion and practice (into a pool or onto a bed), a good does of ethics and discussion of the other aspects.

Air time would include: Practice advanced tracking, canopy control and accuracy landings, response to off-heading openings, etc.. (All from an airplane) Exit practice from a balloon would be REAL nice, too.

Object time would include: Ethics re-iteration, site selection and access (on-going), wind reading, what to touch and what not to (particularly on towers) and the demonstration of skills learned in the previous two phases.

It is hard to sit here in front of a computer and list everything that is required. Of course, all of this needs to be adjusted to the individual.

... Just my thoughts ...

space
May 17th, 2002, 06:13 AM
Nikito wrote;
"What happens if your student experiment this :
Off heading oppening
Line over
Twist line
Premature opening in a tower
unestable exit
???? "

Everything above that you wrote except premature opening in a tower I cover. And anyway I donīt think that anyone has been killed or injured by this situation. Please let me know if it has happened and I will gladly add it to my course.
Take care,
space

d-dog
May 17th, 2002, 09:10 AM
The PNWBA has developed a curriculum that is tailored not only to our local objects, but also to the cultural environment in which we jump. All first-time jumpers must review and master the following:


1. Finding new and creative ways to slag on RH

2. Creative excuses for not jumping

3. Creative explanations for dumping early

4. Development of self-important attitude towards all other human beings who don't jump

5. Slam packing tips and techniques (applied and theory)

6. Jumping clapped out gear and surviving

7. Updated list of appropriate skygod epithets

8. The criminal justice system in extremis - get to know The Gay You!

9. Speaking Aussie-ease, mate

10. Unstable exits, also know as "aerials"


Peace,

D-d0g
ddog@wrinko.com
www.wrinko.com

imported_Tom Aiello
May 17th, 2002, 11:23 PM
>I like to think of it broken into three phases: Ground time, Air time, Object time.

I really like this approach.

>Ground time would include: Rigging, Exit technique discussion and practice (into a pool or onto a bed), a good does of ethics and discussion of the other aspects.

I think I'd add the following, either before "Ground Time" or as an early part of the "Ground Time" section.

Home Work:
Explain (written or verbal), "Why do you want to participate in this sport?" I don't think there is really a correct answer, but it is important that the instructor and student are on the same wavelength, or it will be difficult to communicate in later phases.

Either explain (verbal) to family, or provide written explanation for family (to instructor, for possible later delivery) of "Why this sport is imprtant enought to you to be injured or killed for."

Explain (written or verbal): "What you will bring to the sport of BASE."

I think that all three of these should be part of an "entrance" interview prior to training. I also think they are all two way streets (discussions) with as much potential for the instructor to learn as for the student to learn.

--Tom Aiello
tbaiello@mac.com

Thanks Space for starting this thread, and Psycho for reviving it. I haven't been on this board in a week, and this is one of the most worthwhile discussions I've seen on his go-round.